Comments Thread For: Dmitry Bivol is More Than Ready To Face Marcus Browne

[Mammoth]

Bivol vs Fornling; that'll put butts in the seats, lol.

It won't but there's not very many options. Top Rank has 3/4 of the title holders at 175 and Gvozdyk just fought Doodoo.

[Scipio2009]

Why is a contender trying to cherry pick titlists? Gvozdyk isn't any more popular in the US than Bivol is. Nothing has been "obvious" except that Browne seems to think he has a better chance of beating Gvozdyk than Bivol so he pulled some dumb excuse out of nowhere after beating Jack about why "Gvozdyk has to be first, then Bivol after" because "me and Teddy Atlas are both from New York." What a crock of bull****. And then if he fights Gvozdyk and wins, he will renege on what he said about Bivol and go and hold that belt hostage for 5-10 years vs B and C-level PBC light heavyweights (they don't have any A-level light heavyweights besides maybe Browne), and stay ducking Bivol.

The WBA champ is ready to fight Browne this summer. Browne is the WBA mandatory. If the WBC orders it first, then by all means, but Browne shouldn't be cherry picking champs. Whichever title shot is available first, go and seize the moment. You're talking about Barclays or Nassau, you left out MSG which is where Hearn wants to put a huge Bivol-Browne main / Joe Smith Jr-Callum Johnson co-main, with Russian, white American, black American, white New York fighter, black New York fighter, and British fanbases all represented in 50-50 fights. You don't think that would sell? You don't think Browne makes just as much or more money on a card like that, with DAZN footing the bill (DAZN have the deepest pockets), as he would against Gvozdyk?

As for Browne's interim fight, what the ***** is he doing? That should have happened already. Now it's too late. Just go straight to Bivol. Stop wasting everyone's time. This the dude that turned down the Kovalev fight many times before finally accepting once Kovalev looked shot, ducked the Gvozdyk title eliminator, I think ducked the Beterbiev or Bivol title eliminator too one of those two, but now you're making excuses for him to duck them even longer even now that they're champions. No one wants to wait until end of 2019 to see Browne. End of 2019 is when unifications are supposed to take place. If Browne was the real deal he would be fighting a titlist in summer so he could be part of one of those unifications in the fall if he wins the title in the summer, but it sounds like he just wants to cherry pick who he thinks is the weakest titlist with the easiest style for him to beat, then go back to PBC and hold the title hostage for years. If that's the case, you better be hoping he loses that title shot when he finally takes it, otherwise all the buzz around the 175 division right now is going to disappear and we're going to find ourselves back in the wilderness for five years like when Stevenson had the belt the whole time. Be careful what you wish for.

The WBA means very little at this point; with Ward retired, Stevenson losing, and Kovalev getting beat bad, the big money fights are few and far between.

Marcus Browne fought Badou Jack because it was a big fight, which the WBA threw an interim belt on at the last minute, lol.

Now, Browne is on to the next big fight. [Nice try with that bull**** about challengers having to fight champions when the champ wants to fight, lol]

[Boxing Logic]

After that Radivoje Kalajdzic debacle in which Browne was lucky to walk away with a win, i think he has finally put it together. He is a very well rounded quality fighter.

Bivol is just a better version of Browne.

Browne is very very good. Bivol is special.
Browne has what it takes to win a belt...its just not going to be against Bivol!

I'll put my money on Bivol everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

I agree with you skill for skill, Bivol is great and Browne is very good, but chew on these variables for a second that have to be considered. Bivol's last fight night weight was 181 pounds. Browne's was 192 pounds. Bivol's reach is 69.5 inches or something like that. Browne's is 75.5 inches.

It's essentially a big light heavyweight vs a big super middleweight (but not that big, say hi Zurdo, Callum Smith, Benavidez, etc), at 175. They say a good big man beats a good little man, but what about a very good big man vs a great little man? It's not nearly as cut and dry as it would be between a great fighter Marcus Browne's size and Marcus Browne. Bivol will have every physical disadvantage in terms of size, plus Browne will have hometown corruption advantage too. How will Bivol respond to a 10 lbs heavier man hitting him in the balls 20-30 times over the course of the fight without the ref stopping it? Given Bivol has only 15 pro fights or something and is mostly used to the clean amateur fighting game, with actual fair referees, I'm thinking not well, not well at all...

So if Browne fans like Scipio want Browne to duck Bivol and only fight Gvozdyk, because they think Gvozdyk is the weak link, hey what do I know, be my guest. Bivol is who I see as #1 at 175, but his size is a major weakness, so who really knows. Just be careful what you wish for thinking Gvozdyk is the weak link, and be even more careful what you wish for if Browne beats Gvozdyk because that might be the death of another entire mini-era (5-7 years) at light heavyweight before this era even got popping, whereas if Gvozdyk wins we should be in for a huge 2020 at 175.

In any case, I just don't think a contender should be ducking titlists. If Bivol is willing to give you a title shot and pay you equal to what you would make against Gvozdyk, then stop *****ing cherry picking "Oh I think I have the best style to beat this guy, but not that guy, or this guy in two years, but not right now," and start fighting the top prime guys of all styles if you really want to prove you are the best. Otherwise don't front about it whether you beat Gvozdyk, or Bivol, or whoever you think has the easiest style for you, or not. Fight whoever is available, beat them, then go and beat the other one or one of the other titlists. I'm not saying he has to become undisputed to be considered a great fighter, I'm just saying you shouldnt be able to cherry pick your way there based on styles. Beat any two of them, and you're top 5 P4P probably, definitely a great fighter, and even beating one puts you in that discussion, but just stop trying to cherry pick.

Heck, it's not like Bivol OR Gvozdyk got to choose who their mandatory was. "Browne doesn't have an easy style, please put someone else with an easier style as my mandatory." No, they don't get a choice, even though they're champions. So why should the mandatory? We got three fighters here, 2 champions and 1 contender, yet somehow the WBA and WBC set it up so that the only one with options is the contender, not the champ. Hell I bet Errol Spence would have liked that option when he was coming up, "Hey Errol who you want to be mandated to fight, Brook or do you just want to go straight to Thurman? I know you want that fight more anyway" but they didn't give Errol that option, so why Browne? And they didn't put Thurman in that bull**** situation where somehow none of the champs have two belts but this contender who ducked title eliminators with all of them on their way to becoming champs is parading around two belts and picking and choosing which titlist he wants to fight while the titlists themselves have no say. Ridiculous.

It's just more favoritism bull****, and that's bad for boxing because it may delay another good fight happening for no good reason.

[Boxing Logic]

The WBA means very little at this point; with Ward retired, Stevenson losing, and Kovalev getting beat bad, the big money fights are few and far between.

Marcus Browne fought Badou Jack because it was a big fight, which the WBA threw an interim belt on at the last minute, lol.

Now, Browne is on to the next big fight. [Nice try with that bull**** about challengers having to fight champions when the champ wants to fight, lol]

Way to ignore my points and then make your own points which were already disproven by my points which you ignored. Makes logical discussion impossible. TL;DR Bivol is just as big a fight for Browne as Gvozdyk. But it's all good, vs Gvozdyk Browne won't have a 1.5 weight class size advantage in the ring like he would against Bivol, which is probably his best chance at beating any of the titlists, weight bullying and using heavy fouls with a 10-11 lbs weight advantage in the ring to wear down the more talented boxer across from him. Gvozdyk is not as "good" as Bivol but he's still better than Browne and won't be at a size disadvantage, which is really Browne's big advantage over either of them except he only has it over one of them, the one you don't want him to fight.

So it might be better for the LHW division if Gvozdyk-Browne is the fight that happens, not Bivol. I personally just wanted a good fight to look forward to in the summer but I guess you have other agendas.

[Boxing Logic]

[Nice try with that bull**** about challengers having to fight champions when the champ wants to fight, lol]

Not when the champ wants it, when the WBA orders it. Which yes, should generally be waited to when the champ wants it IF the champ wants it ASAP, otherwise if the champ is trying to delay it, the sanctioning body should step in and order it when the contender wants it in order to enforce the contender's rights.

Otherwise, if the mandatory #1 conetender isn't ready yet to face the champion in the champion's next fight, provided there is fair notice given and both schedules are clear, then why is he the mandatory? The whole point of determining a #1 contender mandatory to the champion is to determine a challenger to the champion. If Browne isn't ready to face Bivol, then why is he mandatory to Bivol's belt? The champ is ready to get his mandatory out of the way so he can move to bigger fights. If Browne isn't ready to be his mandatory yet, then someone else should have the spot. If Browne is holding out for a WBC title shot, then he should drop the WBA mandatory position that he's planning to forego and never use. Simple.

[Scipio2009]

By the way, are you speaking on inside information of what you've heard the internal plans are on either Browne or Gvozdyk's side of things, or are you just saying what your best guess is?

It's basically all available online (Browne/Jack being lined up for Adonis Stevenson had he not gotten beat, Marcus Browne fighting Jean Pascal this Spring, Marcus Browne being a known fighter in the New York boxing scene, Marcus Browne being the current best fighter to emerge from Teddy Atlas' Cops&Kids program, etc).

If you think that Dmitry Bivol is going to sell 500 tickets in New York, you're bugging.

Logic helps a ton when you use it.

[Boxing Logic]

It's basically all available online (Browne/Jack being lined up for Adonis Stevenson had he not gotten beat, Marcus Browne fighting Jean Pascal this Spring, Marcus Browne being a known fighter in the New York boxing scene, Marcus Browne being the current best fighter to emerge from Teddy Atlas' Cops&Kids program, etc).

If you think that Dmitry Bivol is going to sell 500 tickets in New York, you're bugging.

Logic helps a ton when you use it.

Bro if you're going to respond to me you need to read what I write. Hearn wants to make Bivol-Browne main event, Joe Smith Jr vs Callum Johnson co-main, for MSG in late summer. That card has a black American boxer, a white American boxer, a black New York boxer, a white New York boxer from another area, plus the Russian New York fanbase represented in Bivol, and the UK fans represented in Johnson only a 5 hour plane trip away.

You don't think that card sells as well as Browne-Gvozdyk? Probably way less Ukrainians in NY than Russians and neither ESPN or Showtime can get that key Joe Smith Jr-Johnson fight for the co-main either. I'll leave it at that short chunk so maybe you'll read it and we can actually engage in a real boxing conversation.

Marcus Browne fighting Jean Pascal this Spring

Bro it's April right now where Im at. That fight has not been announced, it is on neither of their boxrec's. And who the ***** wants to see Browne vs Pascal anyway? Only reason Bivol fought him is Joe Smith Jr pulled out of fighting Bivol for last fall, chose Beterbiev instead, then Beterbiev pulled out and Smith Jr fought Bivol this spring instead. And everyone ridiculed Bivol for fighting Pascal. Didn't Browne last fight in November? So for Pascal to happen, we're looking at least 8 weeks from announcement usually, so no earlier than June maybe even July, so you basically want Browne to go a full year between significant fights. No wonder PBC is a joke when its fans have such low expectations. I dont expect my favorite boxers to fight killers every 4 months, but every 6 to 9 months is certainly the expectation. One tough fight, one easy fight 3-4 months later, then another tough fight 3-4 months after that. 6 to 8 months, a tough fight. Browne's timeline is looking like 10 to 12 months minimum between meaningful matchups. That's not enough for any sport to sustain itself.

[Boxing Logic]

The WBA means very little at this point; with Ward retired, Stevenson losing, and Kovalev getting beat bad, the big money fights are few and far between.

Stop pretending your agenda has anything to do with how meaningful a certain belt is. WBA doesn't mean enough for Browne to fight Bivol, you say. Kovalev got beat bad, so he's not a big fight. OK then why did Browne accept to fight Kovalev after Ward "beat" him? When Kovalev was undefeated, Browne turned down the fight. Then Kovalev "loses" and looks old, suddenly it's cool to fight him. But the undefeated Bivol with the WBA, that's not good enough, even though fighting Jack for the WBA regular, the man who ducked Bivol and sits behind Bivol in the WBA rankings, that's good enough. Man you're just making up bull**** as you go along.

[Ray*]

This is mouthwatering. Can't wait to see this fight.

[Scipio2009]

You're really laughing at their inability to make big fights when they're trying to make a really good fight but you're making excuses why it shouldn't happen? Tf is wrong with you? They're trying to make a really good fight for summer 2019, you're making excuses why fans should have to wait even longer until probably December 2019 to see another fight that isn't even any better than this one we could get in summer, and then you're laughing about how their other options aren't any good. That's messed up lol.

The **** is wrong with you? Do you have a stake in Bivol or something?

Marcus Browne has options; he and his camp will move however they decide ("Hot Rod" Kalajdzic fighting Beterbiev for the IBF 175lb title in May could open up another option for Browne, but he's rated #1 by the WBC and #1 by the WBA already).

If Bivol gets left holding his **** in his hand, so be it.