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  • SinderellaMan
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    The Heavyweight Solution Problem...

    Boy, here it goes....
    Maybe this has crossed your mind, maybe it hasn't.
    If not, here's a keen observation:
    The Heavyweight Rankings....
    WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO, LMNOP, Blah....
    If Hearn was smarter....
    If Haymon was vocal....
    Oddly enough, in the WBC top 10 Heavies, guess who's missing?
    That's right Robbie Barrett: Anthony Joshua....
    Very intriguing...
    But wait.
    It gets better.
    Guess who's missing from the top 10 for every belt Joshua holds??
    That's right Robbie Barrett: Deontay Wilder.
    Very odd that the 2 champions in the division, f4ck the lineal claim by Nandrolene, I mean Fury, are not rated by every sanctioning body in the sport.
    If Wilder was the No. 1 contender for say the WBO title, then the fight would go to purse bid with a 70/30 split for the champ.
    Same for the WBC belt....
    What a farce it has all become....
    This isn't about Wilder & AJ whom I'm convinced truly want to fight each other.
    It's about Finkel vs Hearn & Haymon vs Skipper.
    Loyalty before royalty right?
    Don't hold your breath waiting for this one to be signed at all.
    Simply won't happen or it would have by now.
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    #2
    How can you not know that orgs don't have other orgs champs in their ratings? It's been like that forever.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Robbie Barrett
      How can you not know that orgs don't have other orgs champs in their ratings? It's been like that forever.
      And that Robert, is the problem.

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        #4
        Originally posted by SinderellaMan
        And that Robert, is the problem.
        The orgs don't want their champs in others ratings. Not a good look to have their champ rated below the other orgs.

        The problem is Wilder. Stop the excuses.

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          #5
          Welcome to how boxing works!

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            #6
            Originally posted by Robbie Barrett
            The orgs don't want their champs in others ratings. Not a good look to have their champ rated below the other orgs.

            The problem is Wilder. Stop the excuses.
            The problem is your momma...
            🤪

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              #7
              Originally posted by SinderellaMan
              Boy, here it goes....
              Maybe this has crossed your mind, maybe it hasn't.
              If not, here's a keen observation:
              The Heavyweight Rankings....
              WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO, LMNOP, Blah....
              If Hearn was smarter....
              If Haymon was vocal....
              Oddly enough, in the WBC top 10 Heavies, guess who's missing?
              That's right Robbie Barrett: Anthony Joshua....
              Very intriguing...
              But wait.
              It gets better.
              Guess who's missing from the top 10 for every belt Joshua holds??
              That's right Robbie Barrett: Deontay Wilder.
              Very odd that the 2 champions in the division, f4ck the lineal claim by Nandrolene, I mean Fury, are not rated by every sanctioning body in the sport.
              If Wilder was the No. 1 contender for say the WBO title, then the fight would go to purse bid with a 70/30 split for the champ.
              Same for the WBC belt....
              What a farce it has all become....
              This isn't about Wilder & AJ whom I'm convinced truly want to fight each other.
              It's about Finkel vs Hearn & Haymon vs Skipper.
              Loyalty before royalty right?
              Don't hold your breath waiting for this one to be signed at all.
              Simply won't happen or it would have by now.
              Your point is only partially right,

              While it is factually correct -the WBC have absolutely aided and abetted Wilder in his chronic ducking (not just Joshua but now they have no appetite for a fight with Whyte) - but still, this fight could have been made if Wilder wanted it on fair terms.
              People saying that if AJ wanted the fight all he has to do is overpay Wilder to get it, which is essentially what Wilder is banking on, that AJ won't want to be overcharged and Deontay can price himself out. People suggesting that it's AJ's fault because he won't massively overpay (he's already overpaying at 60/40) and go to 50/50, people saying this are ignoring historical precedent. The A side never needs to give 50/50 to a much smaller draw, much smaller name, that's why the terms A side and B side were coined.
              The real reason why this has not happened is what Barry Hearn nailed months ago. Simply put, staying unbeaten (notwithstanding his Fury loss) and holding the WBC belt hostage means more to Wilder than money. It's that simple.
              If you asked Wilder: "Would you get smashed in front of the whole world watching, for say $120,000,000.00?"
              His answer is, "no thanks, I got lots of money, and some people think I'm great."
              THAT, and that alone, is what we have boiled it down to. He is fortunate to be able to take this stance because he has help from a WBC willing to collude with him and assist his ducking.
              He's a phony, if ever boxing had one.
              All boxing fans should object to this, and not defend this guy and his handlers. It is pure irony when Wilder fans rejoice in his ducking. They celebrate when Wilder or Finkel turn Hearn away. They are happy when Wilder stubbornly refuses to answer the phone, or make a deal, or even meet. They are happiest when the fight isn't made.
              As an appreciator of AJ's work, his willingness to seek out the best WILLING opponents, I want to see him fight Wilder and I don't want him to overpay that coward. However, if you gave me a choice between not seeing the fight at all, and seeing Joshua pay ******ly over the value to make it happen, then I choose the latter, as I am a boxing fan. And Wilder fans are the opposite. They are happy that Wilder won't talk, meet, or make the fight. They are happy to see these guys not fight.
              They've lost the plot, if they actually like boxing.

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              • Eff Pandas
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                #8
                Or we could just kill 3 of the other belts (or 4 if your UKish cuz they seem to have started counting the IBO for some f#cking reason).

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Robbie Barrett
                  How can you not know that orgs don't have other orgs champs in their ratings? It's been like that forever.
                  It's insane how deluded these guys are...also borderline scarily ******, . Honestly if my prediction comes true and Breazeales hand is raised this forum is going to get real, real quick and I bet anything Wilder will be the fastest dumped HW champion no one ever rooted for as fast as his actual fan base appeared out of no where . Ha
                  Last edited by REDEEMER; 03-31-2019, 05:55 AM.

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                  • Toffee
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                    #10
                    So hang on, you're proposing that if Wilder was mandatory for the WBO then purse bids would be called and he would get 30%?

                    He hasn't looked remotely interested in 30% so what then? He turns it down. And what do the WBO do? Nothing because he's not their champion!

                    What you've proposed would actually prevent unifications.

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