Comments Thread For: Nacho: Canelo is Not The Best, He's Had Some Scoring Help

[Gigantes]

I'm not gonna get ****** into argument about how many losses could/should/would Canelo have, but one thing is definitely true - he's had some scoring help. He gets every close card/decision his way, and even when he was clearly outclassed, his promoters bought him a Draw card against Mayweather.

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lol canelo the jussie smollette of boxing

[strykr619]

Lots of butt hurt in this thread considering Nacho has more boxing knowledge then anyone who posts on here and has earn the right to critique whomever he pleases.

Only ***/fanbois' will say that Clenelo doesn't get help from the judges (Vegas Judges). if GGG gets a third fight it should be in MSG and not in Nevada.

[Verus]

he said Canelo gets help from Judges and that is obvious and true. Anyone who argues to the contrary is an idiot. Just check scorecards vs trout, Lara, Cotto, mayweather and ggg in the first fight. Each of those fights had at least 1 ridiculous scorecard. That's not even something that can be debated. Continued Favorable treatment, ped use and belt dropping to avoid a mandatory fight that everyone in boxing wanted to see is what has turned people off to Canelo. Not his so called good looks as you seem to believe.

Apparently you don't know the difference between facts and opinions. "Canelo gets help from Judges and that is obvious and true." That is an opinion not a fact. "Anyone who argues to the contrary is an idiot." That too is an opinion and not a fact. It looks as though you are doomed to going through life confusing facts with ordinary opinions. That is a bit scary. In my opinion my friend, it appears that you are among the many easily swayed.

[Jab jab boom]

Apparently you don't know the difference between facts and opinions. "Canelo gets help from Judges and that is obvious and true." That is an opinion not a fact. "Anyone who argues to the contrary is an idiot." That too is an opinion and not a fact. It looks as though you are doomed to going through life confusing facts with ordinary opinions. That is a bit scary. In my opinion my friend, it appears that you are among the many easily swayed.

you're using semantics to try and divert around the original point which is Canelo gets favorable scoring from judges. We all know the draw scorecard vs mayweather was bulls***t and in the 4 fights vs trout, Lara, Cotto and ggg 1, if you take the most absurd scorecard handed in by a judge in each fight, they gave Canelo 40 of 48 rounds in those fights. So if you want to argue against the obvious truth that Canelo gets help from Judges and that anyone who disagrees with that truth is an idiot, then that just means that you're the one who's easily swayed. But that's not uncommon among Canelo fans. That fan base is made up of a group of gullible idiots who are likely inbred. Similar to pac fans.

[Verus]

you're using semantics to try and divert around the original point which is Canelo gets favorable scoring from judges. We all know the draw scorecard vs mayweather was bulls***t and in the 4 fights vs trout, Lara, Cotto and ggg 1, if you take the most absurd scorecard handed in by a judge in each fight, they gave Canelo 40 of 48 rounds in those fights. So if you want to argue against the obvious truth that Canelo gets help from Judges and that anyone who disagrees with that truth is an idiot, then that just means that you're the one who's easily swayed. But that's not uncommon among Canelo fans. That fan base is made up of a group of gullible idiots who are likely inbred. Similar to pac fans.

I agree that Canelo has been in some close fights, including the ones you mentioned. In my opinion, the one judge scored the Mayweather fight incorrectly as did another judge in the first GGG fight which I scored for a close win for GGG. You believe Canelo gets favorable treatment from the judges. That is your opinion shared by others. Calling people who don't agree with you ******, gullible an inbred doesn't help your credibility. The honest thing to say is I did not agree with the scoring on this fight or that fight is fine. But some go so far as to say the judges were bribed without evidence is simply off base and immature in my view. Unlike track and field and a few other sports, scoring in boxing is an imperfect and subjective art. If you want precision, ditch boxing and follow some other sport.

[Thuglife Nelo]

I agree that Canelo has been in some close fights, including the ones you mentioned. In my opinion, the one judge scored the Mayweather fight incorrectly as did another judge in the first GGG fight which I scored for a close win for GGG. You believe Canelo gets favorable treatment from the judges. That is your opinion shared by others. Calling people who don't agree with you ******, gullible an inbred doesn't help your credibility. The honest thing to say is I did not agree with the scoring on this fight or that fight is fine. But some go so far as to say the judges were bribed without evidence is simply off base and immature in my view. Unlike track and field and a few other sports, scoring in boxing is an imperfect and subjective art. If you want precision, ditch boxing and follow some other sport.

You could've just said that some judges should get benefit of doubt for PARTICULAR fighters.

Lara never improved since. Trout never improved since. GGG never improved since.

Canelo since Trout, style, Ring IQ, adapting, has grew immensely, so much that no Gyms talk bad about Canelo because they respect his fighting style.

Living the moment, seeing what you like, real talent, has its place in life. If they liked what they saw in Canelo, well then it proves why he only gets better in every fight. Canelo haters don't understand this logic. The fact that Canelo can completely change style in the rematch with GGG obviously shows why his style in the first fight gets benefit of doubt.

I remember the divide with Ward fans and fans that agreed with Mayweather that Kovalev won....

[TonyGe]

I agree that Canelo has been in some close fights, including the ones you mentioned. In my opinion, the one judge scored the Mayweather fight incorrectly as did another judge in the first GGG fight which I scored for a close win for GGG. You believe Canelo gets favorable treatment from the judges. That is your opinion shared by others. Calling people who don't agree with you ******, gullible an inbred doesn't help your credibility. The honest thing to say is I did not agree with the scoring on this fight or that fight is fine. But some go so far as to say the judges were bribed without evidence is simply off base and immature in my view. Unlike track and field and a few other sports, scoring in boxing is an imperfect and subjective art. If you want precision, ditch boxing and follow some other sport.

OK if boxing is all on the up and up then why did the Federal government launch an investigation centered on boxing corruption. Why did they feel it was necessary to pass the Ali Act to protect fighters. Boxing is a great sport/business. However it been dogged by corruption for a very very long time. That's the reality of the boxing business.

[TonyGe]

You could've just said that some judges should get benefit of doubt for PARTICULAR fighters.

Lara never improved since. Trout never improved since. GGG never improved since.

Canelo since Trout, style, Ring IQ, adapting, has grew immensely, so much that no Gyms talk bad about Canelo because they respect his fighting style.

Living the moment, seeing what you like, real talent, has its place in life. If they liked what they saw in Canelo, well then it proves why he only gets better in every fight. Canelo haters don't understand this logic. The fact that Canelo can completely change style in the rematch with GGG obviously shows why his style in the first fight gets benefit of doubt.

I remember the divide with Ward fans and fans that agreed with Mayweather that Kovalev won....

Frankie in the first fight people that gave Canelo the win credited him with boxing Golovkin. That so called boxing lesson involved Canelo giving up the center of the ring, retreating to the ropes and getting out landed in the majority of rounds. Canelo supporters deny that Golovkin walked him down saying it's a style choice by Canelo. In reality it was either a failed choice by Canelo or Golovkin walked him down. Fast forward to the rematch. Golovkin played the role of the boxer but he never went to the ropes he never gave up the center of the ring. Now Canelo supporters claim Canelo walked Golovkin down. Golovkin again outscored him in the majority of rounds. You can't have it both ways. Canelo came forward and fought in ring center the way he should have fought in the first fight. He was fully capable if doing that in the first fight. I posted prior to the rematch what Canelo had to do to win. Why? Because I am interested in seeing both men fight to the best of their abilities. I posted that Canelo had to abandon the excessive upper body movement, not go to the ropes and slip Golovkin's jab. He largely did that except he could not slip the jab. Golovkin also screwed up by not going to the body in the rematch. Yes Canelo's hand speed may of been a factor as to why Golovkin didn't go to the body. It was a great fight but I thought Golovkin edged him by outboxing him using his jab and landing hard punches. You may disagree fine. Golovkin switching from being aggressive and Canelo went from boxing to aggression isn't a plus or minus for either guy.

[Jab jab boom]

I agree that Canelo has been in some close fights, including the ones you mentioned. In my opinion, the one judge scored the Mayweather fight incorrectly as did another judge in the first GGG fight which I scored for a close win for GGG. You believe Canelo gets favorable treatment from the judges. That is your opinion shared by others. Calling people who don't agree with you ******, gullible an inbred doesn't help your credibility. The honest thing to say is I did not agree with the scoring on this fight or that fight is fine. But some go so far as to say the judges were bribed without evidence is simply off base and immature in my view. Unlike track and field and a few other sports, scoring in boxing is an imperfect and subjective art. If you want precision, ditch boxing and follow some other sport.

the truth is, I don't know a single boxer who has received more ridiculous scorecards (like the ones I mentioned) than Canelo. Sure there are plenty of boxers who have gotten favorable scoring, but none more than Canelo from my recollection of boxing. So when nacho says it, people say ohh, he's just a hater. mexicans always hate on each other. If someone who isn't Mexican makes the same comment, ohh they're just racist. Maybe, just maybe, it's accurate information to say, Canelo gets help from the judges. I truly believe that most who'd assess the scoring in his fights in an unbiased way would agree.

[omh]

Why does Nacho dislike Canelo so much? Does anyone know the back story to this?

When canelo got title shot 8 or 9 years ago Marquez was hating on canelo in the media Canelo responded and he Marquez and nacho appeared on a show together they argued Canelo challenged Marquez to a fight which he refused since then both have been very bitter about canelo's success before this when canelo was still a teen nacho said he would never be more than a media creation unless he got better trainers fast forward to 2017 blinded by hate nacho trains Chavez Jr to box against canelo because he believes canelo is a trash boxer and ends up embarrassed then makes ridiculous predictions like ggg ko's canelo easy adding more fuel to his hate after being proven wrong