Comments Thread For: Wilder's Manager: DAZN Never Told Us What Joshua Was Getting

[EnglishOxide]

Did Finkel tell anyone what Deyonce was earning from the phantom $50m to Joshua offer?

[Curt Henning]

Thats makes sense... Its just 100mill knowing what he was and is making now. Regardless i hope Wilder aint being manipulated by his own team.

AJ is on a fight by fight basis with DAZN...

the fight can very much happen....and wilders "team" features some of the most powerful and most successful men in the sport....they arent dumb

as finkel said "its too big not to happen"...

what you saw was DAZN taking their proverbial "shot"...throw a figure at wilder...offer him a big figure for the brezeale fight...and then they get 100 percent of the fight and control it....

in the end wilder will make the same money, if not more, if he fights AJ twice anyway....on his own terms though....

to me there is too much money involved to not have american ppv involved...

trust me wilder will do fine with his money for the brezeale fight

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you need to tell me who hes fighting before i can tell you how long it would take

you act as if i can just give you an answer without knowing who the opponents are...line me up his next 6-8 fights and ill give you an answer....

the aj/wilder fight will happen...i cant tell you when....but it will...like finkel said "its too big not to"...

you do realize that AJ works with DAZN on a fight by fight basis right?!?! im guessing you are unaware of that since you said "isnt fighting off DAZN"......theres too much money in it not to happen....but its just plain silly to have the american ppv out of it.....

DAZN has invested in AJ....but so did showtime and then he bolted...kinda strange that AJ bolted for DAZN just around the time there was sort of a little buzz building on a potential AJ/wilder fight in the future.....

DAZN was just trying to lock this fight in now...and get 100 percent control of it....it was def worth a shot on their part...they know its big too.....but wilders people have a different idea im guessing...and they are pretty smart guys who have done some big fights

How many fights will it take Wilder to earn $100 million without Joshua?

An estimated guess is fine for an answer. Don't feel the need to be exacting.

[Curt Henning]

How many fights will it take Wilder to earn $100 million without Joshua?

An estimated guess is fine for an answer. Don't feel the need to be exacting.

that depends....does he fight fury once? or fury twice? even if he fights fury twice he couldnt not reach it.....or he could end up reaching it....either way hitting hit or coming close is an impressive feat for an american fighter these days isnt it? how many guys do end up seeing 100 mil in todays US market?

but ill play..and say he doesnt reach it....without AJ...

but what youre missing is that AJ is not obligated to DAZN either and is on a fight by fight basis

you are still sitting here acting as if wilder said he wont fight him....as if he said he still wont fight him next

all he said was im fighting brezeale on showtime and not DAZN....and after that we can discuss again....youre failing to grasp that...he just said no right now to fighting on DAZN....

wilder may not want to fight AJ on DAZN in the future either...and thats ok...because i believe that theyd both be leaving money on the table without american ppv money...and im pretty sure thats what wilders people feel

DAZN took a shot by throwing a big number up front to wilder..."hey look 100 million"

what wilder knows is that if hes patient that is coming anyway...

you talk as if theres no chance he ever fights AJ....and youre way off in taht thinking....in fact it could still happen later this year( i wouldnt put my money on that but it could).....its too big to not happen

stop talking like that...wilder didnt say he wouldnt fight AJ

that 100 mil is coming as long as wilder keeps taking care of his business in the ring

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but ill play..and say he doesnt reach it....without AJ...

It's good you can finally admit it.

And yeah, they will both leave money on the table without each other. But Joshua will see earnings of $100 million in his career regardless. So he can take that hit and not even blink.

Wilder on the other hand will take years to hit the $100 million mark without AJ. And that's assuming everything goes perfect for him and he keeps winning...even then he might not reach it.

So for him it's foolish to turn down that amount of guaranteed money.

[Curt Henning]

It's good you can finally admit it.

And yeah, they will both leave money on the table without each other. But Joshua will see earnings of $100 million in his career regardless. So he can take that hit and not even blink.

Wilder on the other hand will take years to hit the $100 million mark without AJ. And that's assuming everything goes perfect for him and he keeps winning...even then he might not reach it.

So for him it's foolish to turn down that amount of guaranteed money.

its a gamble and a risk...some people are risk takers and gamblers...anybody who ever achieved something great had to take one

wilder is not looking at his career, on a whole, in comparison to AJ.....only you are!

the only time wilder is going to compare himself in regards to AJ is for when they fight....wilder will want to know what AJs portion looks like...other than that wilder is only worried about himself and his earnings....not his earnings compared to AJ...he knows hes not AJ

aj and wilder are in completely different markets...if wilder was born into ajs life hed be aj...and if aj was born into wilders life hed be wilder.....their markets are different.....wilder isnt saying "ive got to hurry up and make 100 mil cause AJ already has or easily can"....hes only concerned about how hes going to make it

and hell do very well for his brezeale fight...rumors are that its going to be 8 figures regardless....then he can go back to look at the aj fight again

ive always found you to be a decent poster...but the last two times weve interacted havent been good man...youre starting to not make sense and do alot of twisting...

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its a gamble and a risk...some people are risk takers and gamblers...anybody who ever achieved something great had to take one

wilder is not looking at his career, on a whole, in comparison to AJ.....only you are!

the only time wilder is going to compare himself in regards to AJ is for when they fight....wilder will want to know what AJs portion looks like...other than that wilder is only worried about himself and his earnings....not his earnings compared to AJ...he knows hes not AJ

aj and wilder are in completely different markets...if wilder was born into ajs life hed be aj...and if aj was born into wilders life hed be wilder.....their markets are different.....wilder isnt saying "ive got to hurry up and make 100 mil cause AJ already has or easily can"....hes only concerned about how hes going to make it

and hell do very well for his brezeale fight...rumors are that its going to be 8 figures regardless....then he can go back to look at the aj fight again

ive always found you to be a decent poster...but the last two times weve interacted havent been good man...youre starting to not make sense and do alot of twisting...

Wilder should be looking at setting himself and his family up for life. The $100 million deal would have done that within a year.

What he's doing instead by fighting Breazeale on Showtime doesn't benefit him or his family anywhere near as much. He's putting his health on the line for a fraction of what DAZN offered him.

That's just dumb.

[Curt Henning]

Wilder should be looking at setting himself and his family up for life. The $100 million deal would have done that within a year.

What he's doing instead by fighting Breazeale on Showtime doesn't benefit him or his family anywhere near as much. He's putting his health on the line for a fraction of what DAZN offered him.

That's just dumb.

when DAZN tells you its guaranteed even if he lost to brezeale theyre straight up lying...lol

like i said...all he has to do is continue taking care of business and the money is still there for wilder...he was always fighting brezeale and fears nothing

you saw the fury fight right? i mean...wilder was gonna lose if he didnt knock the guy down......and yet he was still chasing that rematch right away...if wilder was worried hed jump at this "100 mil guarantee(crock of **** if he got ko'd by brezeale they aint payin him 40 to fight AJ lol)....wilder isnt worried...in fact i bet hed turn that deal down again and fight fury right now......you people should stop acting worried for him...hes not worried

HE WAS NEVER FIGHTING AJ NEXT AND CAN REVISIT AJ when him and AJ ARE DONE WITH THEIR FIGHTS!

try letting that sink in

[EnglishOxide]

when DAZN tells you its guaranteed even if he lost to brezeale theyre straight up lying...lol

So now you've gone from 'Hearn is lying' to 'DAZN are lying'.

Why?

Ultimately it comes down to this, theoretically:

DAZN can offer higher guarantees to the fighters. So they could say Joshua gets $60m and Wilder gets $40m.

SHO PPV can offer lower guarantees with upsides. So they could guarantee Joshua $50m + 60% of upside and guarantee Wilder $30m + 40% of upside.

Upsides are not guaranteed and neither fighter is a PPV draw. 300k buys for Wilder/Fury only netted each fighter about $10m each. So how many buys are required to pay Joshua and Fury their purses?

Why would either fighter risk taking less money?

Wilders only motive for going for the Showtime route is home cooking.

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when DAZN tells you its guaranteed even if he lost to brezeale theyre straight up lying...lol

like i said...all he has to do is continue taking care of business and the money is still there for wilder...he was always fighting brezeale and fears nothing

you saw the fury fight right? i mean...wilder was gonna lose if he didnt knock the guy down......and yet he was still chasing that rematch right away...if wilder was worried hed jump at this "100 mil guarantee(crock of **** if he got ko'd by brezeale they aint payin him 40 to fight AJ lol)....wilder isnt worried...in fact i bet hed turn that deal down again and fight fury right now......you people should stop acting worried for him...hes not worried

HE WAS NEVER FIGHTING AJ NEXT AND CAN REVISIT AJ when him and AJ ARE DONE WITH THEIR FIGHTS!

try letting that sink in

I'm not saying Wilder is afraid.

I'm saying that the DAZN deal was the smart move for him and his family. It's simple math. The most money in the shortest amount of time.

Even if he loses to Breazeale next...he'd be better off doing that for the DAZN money than for whatever he's getting paid fighting on regular Showtime. Do you disagree?

What he's doing now benefits PBC, Showtime, and Al Haymon's future. Not so much Deontay's. Unless all the stars align.