Comments Thread For: Finkel: Joshua Fight Will Only Become Worth More for Wilder

[guyver8]

Signing a contract in August for a fight in November or December is very reasonable.

Signing a contract in June for a fight in April is ridiculous.

If the fight wasn't going to be next, Wilder wasn't going to accept 15 flat. Period. Which was smart since he's now turning down 40 and will likely end up with 50 or more.

Wilder's side wants to maximize the revenue. Joshua's side wants the fighters to make less. By putting the fight on DAZN instead of PPV or putting the fight in the UK instead of the US.

Hearn lies when he says he works for Joshua. That's not true. Hearn has Joshua under an exclusive promotional agreement. Joshua works for him. Hearn has no fiduciary duty to Joshua. Haymon and Finkel work for Wilder. Their job is to protect Wilder. Hearn has no legal obligation to protect Joshua.

The April date was a contingency plan for if they missed the WBO mandatory deadline after Finkel sat on the contract for 4 weeks. No different from Wilder facing Breazeale right now. The initial available dates were October/November at Cardiff or Wembley after the Canelo PPV, to maximise any US numbers.

“Our original plan and hope was to do it in the middle of September,” Hearn said. “But obviously this Canelo fight on September 15 makes it a little more difficult with U.S. TV. And the fact that we’ve lost four weeks in waiting for an answer from Deontay Wilder makes the fight happening in 11 or 12 weeks of this magnitude unlikely. If it is before Povetkin, then it runs on October or November.”

Hearn.

"I'm sending him back the contracts with a couple of notes," Finkel told ESPN on Monday. "Hopefully, there is no problem and we'll sign right after the changes are made."

Finkel declined to specify what the Wilder side would like to have changed but he insisted they were "small changes." He also said the contract did not provide a date or site for the fight, though it has been discussed previously that it could take place sometime in October or November at Principality Stadium in Cardiff"

Finkel

[kafkod]

You have no idea what any of them earned, so that's a great fact check.

I know as much about that as you do, but I'm not bullshitting like you are.

[guyver8]

Hearn lies when he says he works for Joshua. That's not true. Hearn has Joshua under an exclusive promotional agreement. Joshua works for him. Hearn has no fiduciary duty to Joshua. Haymon and Finkel work for Wilder. Their job is to protect Wilder. Hearn has no legal obligation to protect Joshua.

Well if Wilder is his own boss (he aint) and Hearn is AJ's boss (he aint), maybe Wilder should consider getting a "boss". He's had twice as many fights with a career twice as long as AJ's, yet has only one good win in 40+ fights, 1 belt, no unifications and earns a fraction of what AJ earns.

A very underwhelming 11 year pro career.

[Mirror Universe]

The April date was a contingency plan for if they missed the WBO mandatory deadline after Finkel sat on the contract for 4 weeks.

First of all, it was a WBA mandatory, not the WBO. The WBA is in Hearn's back pocket and would have done whatever he wanted. Finkel didn't sit on anything for 4 weeks, not even in Hearn's own timeline if you were paying attention at the time. Hearn tried to claim Finkel sat on the deal "two weeks," but only if you use the definition of receiving a contract on Friday and answering on Monday being "two weeks" even though it was a few days apart.

[Mirror Universe]

Well if Wilder is his own boss (he aint) and Hearn is AJ's boss (he aint), maybe Wilder should consider getting a "boss". He's had twice as many fights with a career twice as long as AJ's, yet has only one good win in 40+ fights, 1 belt, no unifications and earns a fraction of what AJ earns.

Denying verified fact doesn't change verified fact. Wilder is his own boss. He doesn't have an exclusive promotional agreement with anyone. Joshua does. There's no dis*****g that.

If Wilder was British and won a gold medal in London, he'd be making a lot more money than he is. But he's not. He's a kid from Alabama nobody heard of and nobody care about, in an era where heavyweight boxing was dead in the US. He inherited scorched earth. After Oquendo, Byrd, Briggs, Brewster, Rahman, etc had relegated heavyweight boxing in the US to purses of a few hundred thousand dollars.

Now Wilder is turning down 9 figure deals, deals that are likely to increase. I'd say his team has done a great job considering when Wilder came along, heavyweights in this country were earning next to nothing. Hearn had his company handed to him by daddy. In a country where boxing is far more popular and the fans are obsessed with supporting fighters from their country. The US isn't like that. US boxing is only popular among Latinos, most of which have little to no interest in heavyweights.

[Mirror Universe]

I know as much about that as you do, but I'm not bullshitting like you are.

Neither one of us know what these guys are making. But I'm not the one pretending to know. I know filed purses are bogus, but none of us have any way of knowing what the real numbers are.

Joshua finally having to file a purse will be a rude awakening for obsessive UK fans who live and die by commission purses for US fighters, but have never had to be confronted by a commission number for AJ.

[guyver8]

First of all, it was a WBA mandatory, not the WBO. The WBA is in Hearn's back pocket and would have done whatever he wanted. Finkel didn't sit on anything for 4 weeks, not even in Hearn's own timeline if you were paying attention at the time. Hearn tried to claim Finkel sat on the deal "two weeks," but only if you use the definition of receiving a contract on Friday and answering on Monday being "two weeks" even though it was a few days apart.

If you were paying attention, you'd notice that in over the last 12 months, 1 side has sent numerous contracts as recently as DAZNs just a few days ago, while the other has sent none and made just one suspect $50m offer via Wilders personal email account, with all meetings declined.

Not to mention, when Finkel was asked why he hasn't made any more offers, he simply says Because we don't want to right now, but we will in your lifetime" He sounds so eager to make the fight doesn't he.........

[guyver8]

Denying verified fact doesn't change verified fact. Wilder is his own boss. He doesn't have an exclusive promotional agreement with anyone. Joshua does. There's no dis*****g that.

If Wilder was British and won a gold medal in London, he'd be making a lot more money than he is. But he's not. He's a kid from Alabama nobody heard of and nobody care about, in an era where heavyweight boxing was dead in the US. He inherited scorched earth. After Oquendo, Byrd, Briggs, Brewster, Rahman, etc had relegated heavyweight boxing in the US to purses of a few hundred thousand dollars.

Now Wilder is turning down 9 figure deals, deals that are likely to increase. I'd say his team has done a great job considering when Wilder came along, heavyweights in this country were earning next to nothing. Hearn had his company handed to him by daddy. In a country where boxing is far more popular and the fans are obsessed with supporting fighters from their country. The US isn't like that. US boxing is only popular among Latinos, most of which have little to no interest in heavyweights.

You should change you name to excuse universe. A little WW like Errol Spence, a 6 year pro (not 11 like Wilder) just beat the the PPV numbers of the so called 2nd biggest fight in the HW division. If Wilder wasn't fighting bum, after bum for a decade, he'd have got far more exposure, be earning more and have unified at least once. His market value has only spiked recently after a couple of good opponents. Thats not a coincidence. The American public aren't ******.

[Mirror Universe]

If you were paying attention, you'd notice that in over the last 12 months, 1 side has sent numerous contracts as recently as DAZNs just a few days ago, while the other has sent none and made just one suspect $50m offer via Wilders personal email account, with all meetings declined.

I pay very close attention. Every day. You're taking Hearn's interviews at face value, slurping up the narrative he's feeding you. "Sending numerous contracts" is an empty gesture. That's not how fights are made. You agree to the major points in principle first, then you go to a long form contract.

There was nothing suspect about the 50 million offer. Hearn said he had some questions about it and Haymon answered the questions to his satisfaction, but that Team Joshua decided they'd rather fight in the UK. Which is fine. That's their right, but it doesn't change that the offer was legitimate.

[Mirror Universe]

You should change you name to excuse universe. A little WW like Errol Spence, a 6 year pro (not 11 like Wilder) just beat the the PPV numbers of the so called 2nd biggest fight in the HW division.

You're just proving my point. Welterweight has been the biggest money division in the US for the last 20 years. Heavyweight was practically dead here. Spence inherited a much healthier landscape than Wilder did.