Comments Thread For: Finkel: Joshua Fight Will Only Become Worth More for Wilder

[Bonduu]

Shelly Winkle ya it again, playing a Wilder for a fool, who the donkey now Wilder, Who is the slave? A fighter with half your fights is making 35m US dollars fighting a fat American while you fight his left overs for 2-3 million in your own country...wonder what Wilders split would be when he has to pay his many managers out of his purse. You Wilder fan girls are all a bunch of cretins, you all are bad for boxing and shame on all you lots!

[that g]

Lol

When Fury vacated the opportunity to fight Wilder again initially I thought what a duck but in reality it was a smart move and I can’t begrudge him. If Wilder won whether furyis confident or not with Wilder’s power even though he was getting outboxed it only takes one shot ,where the hell would Fury go next? No lineal title no real willing contenders to face him because he is extremely awkward so I can’t hate on him there.

Wilder has used all these offers for him to demand more money from showtime. It makes sense. He may choose to sign with Dazn for the Joshua fight if they up their money. He doesn’t need to do anything now. Nothing is happening without him.

In actuality it’s a pretty risky and dumb business move for wilder, which is the product here. I see what you are saying, and in a true business sense, it might be worth it, if he had a true alternative.

The only reason Wilder’s value increased is because of the wbc belt and the fury fight, not necessarily because of the value wilder himself holds. He’s proven he’s not worth more than 15m, because he’s never been paid that amount before.
The fact that the offer tripled over the past year has no bearing whatsoever on his value in 6 months time.

What’s more, this 40m value is specifically tied to a Joshua fight on dazn, meaning NO OTHER broadcaster can pay that much for him, even based on a ppv, because dazn were offering more than whatever amount is to begin with.
So basically, he’s taking a risk that dazn will be able to pay him more for a Joshua fight in 6 months, after a trash high risk low reward breazelle fight.
What incentive does the guaranteed highest bidder have to raise their offer? Espn definitely won’t bid that high.

So wilder is essentially taking a huge gamble for real low possibility of dazn offering more money.
That’s ******. The cost-benefit analysis is extremely faulty.

[Smash]

hhhhmmm now i wonder if all that 50 mil stuff was just total crap, these guys are not interested in the fight at all, disgraceful

i gave them the benefit of the doubt many times but thats gone now, totally

[Ake-Dawg]

In actuality it’s a pretty risky and dumb business move for wilder, which is the product here. I see what you are saying, and in a true business sense, it might be worth it, if he had a true alternative.

The only reason Wilder’s value increased is because of the wbc belt and the fury fight, not necessarily because of the value wilder himself holds. He’s proven he’s not worth more than 15m, because he’s never been paid that amount before.
The fact that the offer tripled over the past year has no bearing whatsoever on his value in 6 months time.

What’s more, this 40m value is specifically tied to a Joshua fight on dazn, meaning NO OTHER broadcaster can pay that much for him, even based on a ppv, because dazn were offering more than whatever amount is to begin with.
So basically, he’s taking a risk that dazn will be able to pay him more for a Joshua fight in 6 months, after a trash high risk low reward breazelle fight.
What incentive does the guaranteed highest bidder have to raise their offer? Espn definitely won’t bid that high.

So wilder is essentially taking a huge gamble for real low possibility of dazn offering more money.
That’s ******. The cost-benefit analysis is extremely faulty.

People thought it was ****** to turn down $12.5M, now look where he is. I'm not certain I agree with the gamble but I understand it and don't see it as "******".

[Jsmooth9876]

Finkle is exactly right about that last part about implied ownership. Nailed it spot on. Hearn seems to think wilder should “yassa boss”, buck dance, and c**n every time Hearn twinkles his little silver bell. Hearn, and his nationalist sycophtic fans, believe wilder should just do as he is told by some foreigner talking down to him. Hearn may have all the privilege in the world in London, England but these American men of color are a bit more independent and proud than what we are used to in the uk. And I love that about the African people of descent in my adopted American home. I love their pride.

Yeah poor Wilder, treating dude like a slave offering him $120 million. Way to stick it to the man lol

[OldTerry]

So Finkel admitting he's letting it marinate to make more money then.

Wilder says it's not about the money but demands 50/50 and agrees to let it marinate to make more.

Wilder says he didn't sign the contract because there was no venue, but signs Fury fight with no venue.

Says $15 mill is crack money agrees to fight Fury for less.

Says he wants to remain a free agent, apparently now Finkel looking for a 3 fight deal with Showtime.

Finkel asked when they'll make an offer for Joshua, says it will be in your lifetime.

It's clear one side is stalling and ducking. If the money isn't right for the DAZN deal make a counter offer, don't just walk away and do nothing to make the fight.

I actually don't think Wilder's side is stalling or ducking (out of fear of losing). What I believe is you can't believe Wilder when he says it's not about the money, the "truth" is it is absolutely about the money.

[that g]

People thought it was ****** to turn down $12.5M, now look where he is. I'm not certain I agree with the gamble but I understand it and don't see it as "******".

From a business standpoint,
It was ****** to turn it down then, ****** to act the way they’ve been acting with all the offers they’ve been getting, simply because the value there is NOT tied to wilder himself. It’s the belt he’s holding, and the value AJ and matchroom are placing on it. Every one of the offers they’ve given him have been multiples of what has been established by his own promoter and network to be his true value.

They’ve just been lucky, but eventually they will get caught.

[Holler]

The cost-benefit analysis is extremely faulty.

Unless the decision wasn't taken on the basis of Wilder's best interests but those of other parties.

For instance, imagine if your entire business plan depended on maintaining the PPV model, to the point where you would actively instruct your 33 yr old fighter to turn down a deal worth well above market value and secure his and his families future as well as providing him with 2 chances to make boxing history and even more money because if he accepted it that model may be irreparably compromised?

[that g]

Unless the decision wasn't taken on the basis of Wilder's best interests but those of other parties.

For instance, imagine if your entire business plan depended on maintaining the PPV model, to the point where you would actively instruct your fighter to turn down a deal worth well above market value because if he accepted it that model may be irreparably compromised?

That’s precisely what I’m saying. Wilder is being conned.

[Kcvtr81]

That's a huge risk, betting on a guy with **** boxing ability to be able to ko everyone until he gets the right price next time, hope Dom knocks him out lol watch his worth go to ****