Comments Thread For: Wilder Manager: Too Much at Stake, These Fights Will Happen

[Ake-Dawg]

Wrong. DAZN has a deal with Matchroom, if DAZN matches any offer from another network the fight goes to them. Has to? He obviously doesn't have to. But he isn't getting 20 mil for Breazeale anywhere else or 2 40 mil fights either. He's ducking.

DAZN has a contract with Matchroom USA. Joshua has a contract with Matchroom. There is a difference as they are two different companies. If Joshua fights in the US he is not obligated by contract to fight on DAZN, although he is more likely to make more money fighting on DAZN. Hearn has made this perfectly clear on multiple occasions.

I'm just clarifying, not looking for an argument.

[Scipio2009]

Turning down $100m...he must have some really good reason for it.
I'd fight Wilder for $10m. All it really takes to hear the opening bell and then another one when Wilder lands. After that I'll have $10m. Probably something broken and my faculties shattered, but hey..$10mil is $10mil.

Wilder-Joshua is a truly era-defining fight, and Wilder and his camp are now insisting that he gets his full piece.

No $12m, no $15m to fight second ten months later, no flat fee to come to the UK for the fight, and no sign for this advance to maybe see AJ on an option after the deal is signed.

Wilder will have his fight, Joshua will have his fight, and then the conversation will be had again (the IBF mandatory is already due, so don't be shocked when it's called shortly after the fight).

Does Anthony Joshua want to go to Sofia, Bulgaria and fight Pulev (we have a good gauge for the value of a Joshua fight, Pulev is backed by oligarch money, and Pulev has near no incentive to bend with the IBF mandating 65/35 splits on the purse bid), or does Anthony Joshua prefer to negotiate a fight with Wilder for T-Mobile Arena?

[Ajvar]

Wilder v Breazele on ppv - Lol!!!! Good luck breakn 100k ....talk about a crap ppv main event mismatch!!

Not even 80k.

[Robbie Barrett]

DAZN has a contract with Matchroom USA. Joshua has a contract with Matchroom. There is a difference as they are two different companies. If Joshua fights in the US he is not obligated by contract to fight on DAZN, although he is more likely to make more money fighting on DAZN. Hearn has made this perfectly clear on multiple occasions.

I'm just clarifying, not looking for an argument.

Yes they have a contract with both. All matchroom USA fights are on DAZN and DAZN has an option to match any network and get the rights to any other fight. Hearn explained this when Whyte fought on Showtime (Was a matchroom fight not Matchroom USA). DAZN allowed that because they didn't want to match the offer.

[Scipio2009]

If Wilder is a free agent then he the dumbest free agent of all time.

This would be like; a free agent baseball player turning down a huge contract with the New York Yankees in the major leagues. Then to sign with the Tucson Padres in the minor leagues.

If the Yankees called you with a 10-year, $300m deal, but with $200m of that being deferred money (ie the Yankees actually pay you $10m per year, but then pay you $10m per year, for the next 20 years after your 10- year deal), you just got hustled out of your money.

So yeah, if no one wants pay you your value, you go to a small league, get a deal for 40%+ of revenues (tickets, concession stand, merch, sponsors, etc), blow out the season for that league, and try again for full value at the next opportunity.

The Joshua fight is basically confirmed by the money backers as a $100m+ fight, Wilder and Joshua have no TV obligations here, and both want the fight.

Why does Wilder have to give up three fights to get the one fight that he wants, when no one is saying AJ should do any such thing?

[Boxing Hero]

Wilder has now become a duck in my eyes. I'm am officially team Joshua even though I am an American.

Turning down $100 is straight ducking.

[Scipio2009]

Point 1. Wilder is saying it's laughable TODAY that people called him a fool for turning down the 12.5M flat fee when he is being offered 3 times that for the same fight less than a year later.

Point 2. These offers as high as they are because he is a network free agent. So yes, he should love being a free agent in this moment.

Opinion 1: Yes its a complicated decision. Why, because the decision must reflect what's going to happen with 3 future opponents. Breazeale (mando), Joshua (unification), Fury (rematch to prove he can/did beat him).

Opinion 2: If Wilder turns down DAZN without a Showtime/Fox guarantee then I will smh. I hold that opinion even though I have ZERO clue who Wilder could fight for if Joshua either can't fight in 2019 or doesn't agree to a DAZN deal for a 2019 fight against Wilder.

Joshua isn't signed to DAZN and Joshua will likely have to go dueling wallets for his next fight, his IBF mandatory defense against Bulgarian money backer/Top Rank signed/Frank Warren-adjace Kubrat Pulev (with the IBF bid set at 65/35 to the champion).

Understanding leverage is beyond key

[Ake-Dawg]

Yes they have a contract with both. All matchroom USA fights are on DAZN and DAZN has an option to match any network and get the rights to any other fight. Hearn explained this when Whyte fought on Showtime (Was a matchroom fight not Matchroom USA). DAZN allowed that because they didn't want to match the offer.

I hear you. However Whyte fought in the UK. Also, wouldnt there is be a significant difference between a Matchroom USA promoted fight and a Dibella promoted fight that AJ fought in. There may be nuance to this, which would explain why Hearn said theoretically Joshua could fight on a Showtime ppv.

[Ake-Dawg]

Joshua isn't signed to DAZN and Joshua will likely have to go dueling wallets for his next fight, his IBF mandatory defense against Bulgarian money backer/Top Rank signed/Frank Warren-adjace Kubrat Pulev (with the IBF bid set at 65/35 to the champion).

Understanding leverage is beyond key

I was under the belief that Joshua has zero DAZN committment as well. However Robbie says he does.

[Scipio2009]

So Wilder is turning down 100 million to spite DAZN? lol he's dumber than I thought. Slave to Haymon and the PBC.

$100m isn't **** if it doesn't guarantee that he gets to fight Joshua, who isn't even signed to DAZN to begin with, lol.

Wilder-Joshua might now be legit enough an event that Wilder may be able to see $50m on that one fight in the open (SHOPPV/Sky Box Office/MGM Resorts/etc). And if Wilder clears Joshua, Deontay Wilder is set to be on Floyd money for the rest of his run.