M.Garcia Is A Real THREAT. Not A Catchweight Bout - Remember!

[Bjl12]

You lost me here. Brook was fighting at 147, active.

Vanes was 154 inactive.

I was hesitant to continue reading what you wrote. I stopped here.

Brook was coming down from 160 after his first loss which was a TKO as well as reconstructive orbital surgery.

And that fight was 4-4 after 8 rounds...when Brook gassed. Which is what happens when you try to move up or down ONE weight class let alone TWO.

Spences win over Brook was good, but it was very circumstantial

Good thing you stopped because no black cocks were there and you would've been disappointed

[GhostofDempsey]

We live in a world of double standards. When Brook and Khan moved up to two weight classes they were called idiots looking for a money-grab--Mikey is called a warrior. Mikey is a big LW, he walks around at 165, so in theory, 147 should be a good weight for him. But, he is considered "small", same way Brook walked around at 175+ but was considered small. Anyone who has followed Robert Garcia will know that his M.O. is to drain his fighters down a few weight classes and then blow up on day of the fight.

While we are on the topic of catch weights, I predict Mikey will become a catch weight fighter after he gets pummeled by Spence. He is too big for 135 and likely won't compete much better against the rest of the title holders at the full 147. I think he'll float between 138-143 and use his name to entice fighters to come up to or down to the weight he is most comfortable and try to gain as many advantages as possible.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Brook was coming down from 160 after his first loss which was a TKO as well as reconstructive orbital surgery.

And that fight was 4-4 after 8 rounds...when Brook gassed. Which is what happens when you try to move up or down ONE weight class let alone TWO.

Spences win over Brook was good, but it was very circumstantial

Good thing you stopped because no black cocks were there and you would've been disappointed

Not talking about Spence vs Brook. It was about a 160 vs a 147 fighter in Brook. Brook wanted to copy what Khan did with Canelo.

[BoxingIsGreat]

You lost me here. Brook was fighting at 147, active.

Vanes was 154 inactive.

I was hesitant to continue reading what you wrote. I stopped here.

Same here. That didn't make sense. "Brook was so big that he outweighed GGG." I read some GGG fans say that. That's BS. Brook was a welter and making weight fine.

[RuleOfTheSpear]

Mikey has done everything in his career to merit a catch as did Pacquiao.

Saying vanes is 154 is like saying Pacquiao is 147.

They fight in that class but they're not that size.

I'm not even sure what you're arguing at this point.

Spence has been pretty much inactive for like a year. Hes spent almost no time in the ring.

What are you taking about? Vanes is a full sized muscular 154 pound boxer who never fought at a weight below 154 in his career while Pacquiao weighs under 150 on fight night for his welterweight fights and started his career at 106 pounds.

Pacquiao is way smaller than Mikey tho...in height and in frame. Pac is a bloated 140 fighter tbh

[Thuglife Nelo]

Same here. That didn't make sense. "Brook was so big that he outweighed GGG." I read some GGG fans say that. That's BS. Brook was a welter and making weight fine.

It's an interesting situation. Industry will demand more from Lomachenko should the Ukranian truly fall back to 130. If and when Mikey beats Prograis, it will still have Mikey high in the P4P list, and Mikey just called out Lomachenko again. Should Mikey and Loma fight at a catchweight, and should Mikey win, then it means that Mikey still higher than Spence on the P4P list, assuming the Crawford Spence fight hasn't happened yet.

If it all happens, industry will then demand Garcia vs Spence 2 at a catchweight. The problem is that Spence already looks drained at 147 weigh ins so a rematch would never happen. Anybody saw Spence's physique in the weigh in compared to how he rehydrated to 147 shows that he's 154 fighter like Lara's physique on fight night

[BoxingIsGreat]

It's an interesting situation. Industry will demand more from Lomachenko should the Ukranian truly fall back to 130. If and when Mikey beats Prograis, it will still have Mikey high in the P4P list, and Mikey just called out Lomachenko again. Should Mikey and Loma fight at a catchweight, and should Mikey win, then it means that Mikey still higher than Spence on the P4P list, assuming the Crawford Spence fight hasn't happened yet.

If it all happens, industry will then demand Garcia vs Spence 2 at a catchweight. The problem is that Spence already looks drained at 147 weigh ins so a rematch would never happen. Anybody saw Spence's physique in the weigh in compared to how he rehydrated to 147 shows that he's 154 fighter like Lara's physique on fight night

Now I understand why Spence is at 147. His size is very important when facing skilled, smaller guys like Mikey. Spence can take out the rest of the welters, except Crawford. I favor Crawford 60/40.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Now I understand why Spence is at 147. His size is very important when facing skilled, smaller guys like Mikey. Spence can take out the rest of the welters, except Crawford. I favor Crawford 60/40.

I got no problem with Spence's domination at 147. It is what it is, if you can make the weight and still perform the following day then so be it. You can either do it or you can't. I just know for a fact, as most of us do with this sport, that aging takes a toll. The last great fighter that industry boasted was GGG whom has been hurting himself to make 160 and in his late fights was looking all sweaty and gaunt at the press conferences. Dude had no energy and had to default with translators. GBP and K2 knew what they were doing to the public.

My thing is that GGG can still perform a lot better at 168. At least 2 years left. In those 4 fights GGG would fight for titles. It's just a waste of talent and it sickens me that so many diehard GGG fans are fine with GGG and no different than many Spence fans just fine seeing Spence not dare to be great.

Crawford has always been smaller than Spence by one division. Crawford is a 140 fighter but could make the sc**** the 135 mark. Good for him. I still think Spence is a HARD fight for Crawford. Spence's grit and intestinal fortitude by beating Mikey will only boost his style and determination for more fights AT 147.

diehard Spence fans whom are mostly PBC shills are content with Haymon controlling 154 and 147. This isn't the essence of best fighting the best. I want to see what Spence can do with the top 154 fighters. Enough with the nobody wants to fight Errol or Crawford. Spence is just wasting his time to prove what at 147?

[BoxingIsGreat]

I got no problem with Spence's domination at 147. It is what it is, if you can make the weight and still perform the following day then so be it. You can either do it or you can't. I just know for a fact, as most of us do with this sport, that aging takes a toll. The last great fighter that industry boasted was GGG whom has been hurting himself to make 160 and in his late fights was looking all sweaty and gaunt at the press conferences. Dude had no energy and had to default with translators. GBP and K2 knew what they were doing to the public.

My thing is that GGG can still perform a lot better at 168. At least 2 years left. In those 4 fights GGG would fight for titles. It's just a waste of talent and it sickens me that so many diehard GGG fans are fine with GGG and no different than many Spence fans just fine seeing Spence not dare to be great.

Crawford has always been smaller than Spence by one division. Crawford is a 140 fighter but could make the sc**** the 135 mark. Good for him. I still think Spence is a HARD fight for Crawford. Spence's grit and intestinal fortitude by beating Mikey will only boost his style and determination for more fights AT 147.

diehard Spence fans whom are mostly PBC shills are content with Haymon controlling 154 and 147. This isn't the essence of best fighting the best. I want to see what Spence can do with the top 154 fighters. Enough with the nobody wants to fight Errol or Crawford. Spence is just wasting his time to prove what at 147?

I have no issue with any of the things you are saying. I'm a Crawford and Spence fan. Before this fight, I had Spence 60/40. Now I see it the opposite.

Either Mikey's chin and body are something else or Spence doesn't punch as hard as people say he does. I don't know which one to choose. I see Crawford carving his way in that fight. Competitive UD, or Crawford by stoppage, if fight takes place at 147.

In terms of weight, I don't care where he fights really. Welter to middleweight, his choice.

[Thuglife Nelo]

I have no issue with any of the things you are saying. I'm a Crawford and Spence fan. Before this fight, I had Spence 60/40. Now I see it the opposite.

Either Mikey's chin and body are something else or Spence doesn't punch as hard as people say he does. I don't know which one to choose. I see Crawford carving his way in that fight. Competitive UD, or Crawford by stoppage, if fight takes place at 147.

In terms of weight, I don't care where he fights really. Welter to middleweight, his choice.

Mikey Garcia is a masterclass defenseman as is Canelo Alvarez. These P4P elites know when and where to be when taking shots. Canelo Alvarez is A+ level punch roller. Even when GGG threw uppercuts its freaking badass to see Canelo roll his head on a freaking incoming uppercut! It doesn't get more elite than that. That's the old school way. Mikey Garcia is B+ level roll puncher.

People were saying Mikey received a lot of damage in this fight but I don't recall him taking TOO MANY flush shots to the face and placement as Peterson or like Algieri. Again, Mikey knows where to be to alleviate any crazy offensive assault. Of course, to be great you also have to take mad punches to the chin.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aside from the onslaught of punches to Mikey's guard, I recall 10 significant flush shots at most where Spence landed on Mikey flush. That's less than an average of 1 MAD shot in 12 rounds or less.

Like Canelo, he took the same from GGG.

You could be right, but then again, we all know Mexican elites can take serious fire power. JCC could take some MEAN shots as did Oscar De La Hoya as well.

Anyways, I owe you one from last night. GQ style