Comments Thread For: Hearn Hopes That DAZN as Middleman Can Make Wilder-Joshua

[kafkod]

I'm saying that the fight is big enough now to do well over 1m PPV buys through the PPV mechanism that's basically governed the last 30 of big time boxing in the United States, and the general US sports fan (nevermind the PPV consumer) could give two chits what a 'DAZN' even is.

Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez fought Rocky Fielding, and maybe 100k viewers watched the fight (if the actual viewership numbers were anywhere near the 25k that allegedly watched Joshua-Povetkin in the US, Alvarez may not have even gotten that many); you strap that same fight to PPV, with how Canelo has been built in the market, and you many been able to get over 750k PPV buys due to the spectacle of the fight.

People work with what they're used to and things that deliver what they want how they want it.

Saul Alvarez and Daniel Jacobs is going to draw so little attention that Wilder-Fury 2 was planned for PPV in May well in advance of Fury's pull out, and Wilder-Breazeale is still happening in may.

Nobody knows how many people watched those fights on DAZN in the US.

[Noelanthony]

Both; simply put, I don't see the value being brought to bear by DAZN. Alvarez-Jacobs is definitely a fight that I'll be watching (from my usual sports bar, since DAZN saved that mistake; even if it weren't available in the sports bars, I may have even signed up to get that fight), but that's basically been the only main event worth watching live of their entire run so far (and don't even get me started on the undercards). Saunders-Andrade would've been a good fight for core boxing fans, and that upcoming super flyweight rematch is likely good for the hardcore fight fan (won't even embarrass myself trying to name the fighters because I've paid basically zero attention to the whole thing).

For Wilder-Joshua, at whatever price (but most likely $75/$65), we're talking about a fight party; friends and family, the girls your friends bring with them (partners or otherwise), the friend of your friend who likes boxing, the random friend who folks are cool with who just likes to be around, etc.

Before even bothering with paying for the show, a host is out at least $100-$150 on everything else (food, drinks, setting up, etc).

And no one risks the party on a stream, legally or illegally.

From the fighter's perspective, the DAZN offer isn't so cut and dry either. Floyd and Pacquiao, if the numbers are right, split something like $250m on the US TV, but also at least another $5m+ each in personal sponsors, with the event sponsors going for $1m a pop (with Tecate paying well more than that for center ring).

The US TV drove most of the money, but the other money didn't turn out to be pennies either.

For the biggest heavyweight fight since Tyson-Lewis, is any advertiser really going to pay a premium for a fight that near no one will see?

Corona, Under Armor, whatever big movie release that's on the way, whatever ******** site trying to get attention, etc.

The DAZN fee is indeed sizable, but that comes with basically every other US revenue (beyond the tickets sold) being zeroed.

Lololololol.... Fair enough

[kafkod]

Real talk, even if you count every market that DAZN does business in, how many users do you earnestly think have DAZN? A German broadcaster with no Bundesliga, but can definitely give those German pigskin fans their NFL fix starting after midnight, lol.

Just to give you some perspective.

Nobody knows for sure because DAZN don't release those numbers. But the owner is a multi-billionaire who could buy and sell Haymon and Hearn with his petty cash, so I think it must be quite a lot.

[Scipio2009]

Nobody knows how many people watched those fights on DAZN in the US.

If Eddie Hearn was ready to draft up press releases for selling 500-1000 tickets on presale (a move that may have happened one other time for boxing events at MSG), my instinct tells me that Hearn would be chatting away if the numbers were even near worth talking about.

The radio silence is deafening.

[Randall Cunning]

Hmm. Press conference been called next Tuesday

[Scipio2009]

Nobody knows for sure because DAZN don't release those numbers. But the owner is a multi-billionaire who could buy and sell Haymon and Hearn with his petty cash, so I think it must be quite a lot.

The owner is definitely a multi-bilionaire with ties to *****, and more money than he could likely ever imagine his entire line ever spending (any child descending from Len Blavatnik, his three sons, his daughter [who will eventually no longer have the Blavatnik name], or any child from his children named Blavatnik).

Still, you're acting as if he actually made his money with this DAZN effort, lol.

Just for context sake, Jeff Bezos is basically worth $140b, and owns the Washington Post (which he bought for $250m).

The Washington Post now makes money, but no one is going argue that Bezos being able to buy every paper on the planet has any reflection on how well the Washington Post is doing.

[kafkod]

The owner is definitely a multi-bilionaire with ties to *****, and more money than he could likely ever imagine his entire line ever spending (any child descending from Len Blavatnik, his three sons, his daughter [who will eventually no longer have the Blavatnik name], or any child from his children named Blavatnik).

Still, you're acting as if he actually made his money with this DAZN effort, lol.

Just for context sake, Jeff Bezos is basically worth $140b, and owns the Washington Post (which he bought for $250m).

The Washington Post now makes money, but no one is going argue that Bezos being able to buy every paper on the planet has any reflection on how well the Washington Post is doing.

Guys like Blavatnick and Besos didn't become multi-billionaires by throwing their money away on bad business ventures that don't bring them any return.

But if it makes you feel better to believe that DAZN is blowing hundreds of millions of dollars on fights that nobody is going to watch then go ahead and keep telling yourself that. Whatever floats your boat.

[Scipio2009]

Guys like Blavatnick and Besos didn't become multi-billionaires by throwing their money away on bad business ventures that don't bring them any return.

But if it makes you feel better to believe that DAZN is blowing hundreds of millions of dollars on fights that nobody is going to watch then go ahead and keep telling yourself that. Whatever floats your boat.

Blavatnik has made a rather simple bet; that there's enough interest I other live sports that people will be willing to pay for access to said sports wherever they are; that, in Germany, there are enough German people interested in sports outside of the few main sports that are popular in Germany that economics work to pursue those rights.

Blavatnik, not sure if it's only in the US but that's where I am, seems to also believe that there is a point where he can make a major sport unviable for a main channel, yet still viable for his streaming platform.

It's a risk that'll pay off great if it works, but it likely won't break him if it goes bust, it won't hurt Blavatnik all that much anyway.

[P4Pdunny]

If they both come through next fights this needs to be next

[Froch_uppercut]

I think hes managed to arrange a fight or two in his 90 years.

So, how come he won't even answer the phone to attempt to make the biggest fight in boxing, possibly for a decade or so?

Is it because Eddie said mean things about him?

No, can't be that, cos Eddie only starting taking the piss outta him when he realized Finkel was wasting his time.

Ducking Deontay. LMAO, and you all thought he wanted it.