DAZN wants protection

[Citizen Koba]

its is about being scared...100 percent...its a risk to fight wilder without having future options on wilder should he win....if they fight wilder without having options on him and he wins then the money they invested in AJ and that fight itself are wasted

they dont wanna carry risk in an AJ/wilder fight...they want both guys under their control so they are guaranteed to have rights on the winner

wilders side has been willing to carry that risk....DAZN wont.....ESPN doesnt want to either...ESPN wants wilder with them too so if he beats fury they can take either guy to AJ and get a big piece of that fight

both ESPN and DAZN are shook knowing if wilder beats either of their men, without them having an option on wilder, their investments are caput

Businesses wanting to maximise profit regardless of the outcome of something as unpredictable as a boxing match is not being scared it's being a good business. It's ridiculous enough when people talk about fighters being scared, but when you try and anthropomorphize an entity like a business whose sole aim is to maximise profits using a term like 'scared' is beyond ridiculous. Are people who buy home insurance scared too?


It brings to mind when I discuss Haymon having poached Stevenson and Chavez Jr largely to hurt HBO and folk get all up in arms viewing it as some kind of attack, when I'm actually praising him for being a savvy business practitioner... which is, after all, the proper grounds on which a business or businessman should be judged.

[Curt Henning]

Businesses wanting to maximise profit regardless of the outcome of something as unpredictable as a boxing match is not being scared it's being a good business. It's ridiculous enough when people talk about fighters being scared, but when you try and anthropomorphize an entity like a business whose sole aim is to maximise profits using a term like 'scared' is beyond ridiculous. Are people who buy home insurance scared too?


It brings to mind when I discuss Haymon having poached Stevenson and Chavez Jr largely to hurt HBO and folk get all up in arms viewing it as some kind of attack, when I'm actually praising him for being a savvy business practitioner... which is, after all, the proper grounds on which a business or businessman should be judged.

i fully understand risk and risk management...and i get what DAZN is trying to do...im not dumb...i get it

but its no different than went people complain about the pbc and how they wont give one of their WW's away to crawford..like when bob tried to get danny to use for crawford.....why would al take danny over their to get beat by crawford when he can have danny get beat by one of his own guys?

those same guys complaining about that are championing wilder selling his soul to DAZN and DAZN trying to only make a fight if they have the rights to both guys

this fight could be made with both sides in their current position....its not that hard...but both sides have to be willing to take on the risk...DAZN appears to be unwilling unless that can nullify any risk

i get it....its just people complain about al not letting his guys go on other networks or against other fighters....those same guys are the ones that will call wilder a coward if he doesnt sign with DAZN....he doesnt need to in order to reasonably get this fight done if hearn and DAZN were being reasonable and wanting to make the fight

[Citizen Koba]

i fully understand risk and risk management...and i get what DAZN is trying to do...im not dumb...i get it

but its no different than went people complain about the pbc and how they wont give one of their WW's away to crawford..like when bob tried to get danny to use for crawford.....why would al take danny over their to get beat by crawford when he can have danny get beat by one of his own guys?

those same guys complaining about that are championing wilder selling his soul to DAZN and DAZN trying to only make a fight if they have the rights to both guys

this fight could be made with both sides in their current position....its not that hard...but both sides have to be willing to take on the risk...DAZN appears to be unwilling unless that can nullify any risk

i get it....its just people complain about al not letting his guys go on other networks or against other fighters....those same guys are the ones that will call wilder a coward if he doesnt sign with DAZN....he doesnt need to in order to reasonably get this fight done if hearn and DAZN were being reasonable and wanting to make the fight

Ah... well. If you're talking about other people's hypocrisy then sure... there's more than enough of that to go around on here on all sides.

[Thuglife Nelo]

i fully understand risk and risk management...and i get what DAZN is trying to do...im not dumb...i get it

but its no different than went people complain about the pbc and how they wont give one of their WW's away to crawford..like when bob tried to get danny to use for crawford.....why would al take danny over their to get beat by Crawford

There might not even be 147 narrative anymore. As time keeps passing, Crawford, Spence, Swift, Porter might have all scattered to some fights at 154. If they like the weight, we might not ever them at 147 again, and these fighters age.

This is why DAZN and other weights are more appealing. Basically Top Rank and PBC made the 147 narrative a bore fest

[Curt Henning]

There might not even be 147 narrative anymore. As time keeps passing, Crawford, Spence, Swift, Porter might have all scattered to some fights at 154. If they like the weight, we might not ever them at 147 again, and these fighters age.

This is why DAZN and other weights are more appealing. Basically Top Rank and PBC made the 147 narrative a bore fest

i must be missing your point

so what if the guys move to 154...what changes if they go up a weight class but everything else stays the same? other than the weight....

if porter goes to 154 and spence does...and hurd stays there(somehow lol)...but they are still with the pbc what exactly changes other than offical weights? if hurd goes up he may want to consider moving on since 160 isnt pbc wheelhouse

but the rest of the guys going up could reasonably stay where they are and youd still have the same problem at 154 that you did at 147

and forget spence fighting golovkin...theres no need....theyd be better off fighting thurman and crawford

[Thuglife Nelo]

i must be missing your point

so what if the guys move to 154...what changes if they go up a weight class but everything else stays the same? other than the weight....

From 2014-2018 we could say there was a relic with 147. If they move up, fine, we move on to the next.