Comments Thread For: Wilder: I'd Definitely Rather Fight Breazeale On Fox Than PPV

[Ake-Dawg]

lol here we go again. tactic #26345. ask a supposedly aspersion-casting question, and when given factual, evidence based debunking answers, refuse to accept it.

so what exactly is inaccurate about that? did eddie hearn ask for an autograph instead of a contract?

This is taught in AJ fan 101. Included in that is make a point that has nothing to do with what a poster said. Read my other comments.

[Jax teller]

Last year, Hearn asked for proof that the money was real. Finkel said accept the offer and I will show you. The issue THEN was never about a lack of contract. However, in the recent Twitter beef with Espinoza, Hearn asks, "where was the contract?". Since then, many have used the "they didn't send a contract" angle for explaining why AJ didn't fight Wilder in the US last year. That approach ultimately ignores the fact that Hearn acknowledged the money was real and said that AJ preferred to fight in the UK.

So yes, circumstances are different, but the logic shouldn't change. If a formal offer isn't sent, is the offer real? Hearn DID NOT send a formal offer OR contract for this 60-40 offer that he mentioned in an interview. You are saying that constitutes a real offer and Team Wilder should have responded. Well by that logic, the response that Hearn gave to the 50M offer was "no, AJ wants to fight in front of his fans". That's the gist of it as you say.

Why are you even bothering to try and spin this? You said how was people being inconsistent about AJ not getting a contract making the offer not serious offer and the Wilder not getting a contract was a serious offer. One clearly asked for more details/contract the other said they wasn't interested because they are pre-occupied, they are different.

That addresses you OP and clears it up easily, I wasn't calling anyone a duck and still your instinct is to get super defensive.


Hearn asked for a contract there are many interviews of him saying he did and none of team Wilder dis*****g this. Hearn asked for a meeting for the details and was also cancelled on. At the time they had the meeting booked and Hearn said before "If they're serious they'll meet us" and then they cancelled which was re-iterated throught the whole fass.

I'm happy to admit they gave up easy and they're excuse was lame but it was also made very difficult to accept at the same time, it doesn't take long to make a draft contract or have a meeting. Both teams are responsible and dragged there heels on this, if you disagree you are a fanboy with no sense of integrity.

The 60-40 offer never made it to the formal stage as Wilder stated he wasn't interested and only wanted Fury.

[Oshio]

That's the difference between Wilder and Joshua. One can sell PPV in his country no matter his opponent and the other cannot. Wilder needs Joshua more to assert himself, or is it his claim, as the best HW. Joshua’s resume gives credence to #1 across the sanctioning bodies and Wilder needs to dispel the rankings. What surprises me however is Wilder's unwillingness to send a genuine offer to Matchroom or accept one from Matchroom who is ready to double in 3s his ever highest earning. I don't know what else to describe as ducking

[Redgloveman]

If I remember correctly he asked for proof of funds. Not the entire contract.

He did say “we’ll need to see proof of funds and we’ll need to see a contract” (though for some reason he has back tracked on asking for proof of funds and I have seen him deny it. When AJ himself talks about it he often refers to the proof of funds thing, but in fairness Hearn did ask for a contract as well and was told that he had to accept the offer first.

I don’t think that Hearn would withhold a contract from Wilder if he were to accept the 60/40 offer. As much as anything because I think both sides are very wary of pissing the public off any more at this stage.

[Ake-Dawg]

He did say “we’ll need to see proof of funds and we’ll need to see a contract” (though for some reason he has back tracked on asking for proof of funds and I have seen him deny it. When AJ himself talks about it he often refers to the proof of funds thing, but in fairness Hearn did ask for a contract as well and was told that he had to accept the offer first.

I don’t think that Hearn would withhold a contract from Wilder if he were to accept the 60/40 offer. As much as anything because I think both sides are very wary of pissing the public off any more at this stage.

Which he didn't accept the offer. Although that's not the point of my original post. That point was merely that the absence of a contract conveyed with an offer doesn't define the seriousness or intent of the offer as others have suggested.

Do I think AJ should have accepted the $50M offer, yes. Do I wish Wilder would have not singularly focused on the rematch, yes. Do I think Finkels pride and old school principles hindered the potential for the fight to happen this summer....yes. Do I think Hearn and his antics and pompous attitude hinders the fight, yes.

[Jax teller]

Which he didn't accept the offer. Although that's not the point of my original post. That point was merely that the absence of a contract conveyed with an offer doesn't define the seriousness or intent of the offer as others have suggested.

Do I think AJ should have accepted the $50M offer, yes. Do I wish Wilder would have not singularly focused on the rematch, yes. Do I think Finkels pride and old school principles hindered the potential for the fight to happen this summer....yes. Do I think Hearn and his antics and pompous attitude hinders the fight, yes.

Your the one that took it off course, regarding your OP, one wanted the contract the other didn't as they said they didn't want the fight so no contract was sent.

Finkel is not a man of principle look at what he has done to fighters like Briggs.

[Redgloveman]

Which he didn't accept the offer. Although that's not the point of my original post. That point was merely that the absence of a contract conveyed with an offer doesn't define the seriousness or intent of the offer as others have suggested.

Do I think AJ should have accepted the $50M offer, yes. Do I wish Wilder would have not singularly focused on the rematch, yes. Do I think Finkels pride and old school principles hindered the potential for the fight to happen this summer....yes. Do I think Hearn and his antics and pompous attitude hinders the fight, yes.

I take your point; but personally I wouldn’t enter into a contract without knowing what the terms of that contract actually are and so I never blamed Hearn for not saying “we accept your offer”. This is tens of millions of dollars we’re talking about here and so I think it’s fair to expect the parties to follow the usual process.

I’ve criticised Hearn for a lot in this whole saga, but I do think that if Finkel was really serious about making the fight he should have sent a contract or at least agreed to a meeting.

This is why I’ve always said that both parties were in favour of marinating the fight rather than going straight into it. I know there are big egos involved on both sides, but neither side is averse to making money.

[Ake-Dawg]

I take your point; but personally I wouldn’t enter into a contract without knowing what the terms of that contract actually are and so I never blamed Hearn for not saying “we accept your offer”. This is tens of millions of dollars we’re talking about here and so I think it’s fair to expect the parties to follow the usual process.

I’ve criticised Hearn for a lot in this whole saga, but I do think that if Finkel was really serious about making the fight he should have sent a contract or at least agreed to a meeting.

This is why I’ve always said that both parties were in favour of marinating the fight rather than going straight into it. I know there are big egos involved on both sides, but neither side is averse to making money.

Agreeing to an offer doesn't commit anybody to fight. All it takes is saying I agree to that split provided all other details can be ironed out or agreed to. It sets a baseline for future talks. I agree on the marination from both sides. Neither was willing to fight in 2018 unless the other side took short money.

[Ake-Dawg]

Your the one that took it off course, regarding your OP, one wanted the contract the other didn't as they said they didn't want the fight so no contract was sent.

Finkel is not a man of principle look at what he has done to fighters like Briggs.

Didn't Wilder say he was only interested in the rematch before Hearn came up with the 60-40 offer.

And for the record, neither side agreed to the offer, neither side got a contract. No one draws up a contract for offers that haven't been accepted.

[Redgloveman]

Agreeing to an offer doesn't commit anybody to fight. All it takes is saying I agree to that split provided all other details can be ironed out or agreed to. It sets a baseline for future talks. I agree on the marination from both sides. Neither was willing to fight in 2018 unless the other side took short money.

Yes, but agreeing to an offer puts Hearn straight onto the back foot for any negotiations, because turning down an offer after publicly accepting it would look real bad from a PR point of view.

I just think that if you're doing a deal on a massive scale (in any business setting, not just boxing) follow the formula that has been laid down and followed countless times before. Don't try to reinvent the wheel.

That would mean:

• Offer
  
• Acceptance
  
• Send draft contract
  
• Negotiate terms
  
• Complete deal

Just like any other boxing match. I see absolutely no sensible reason for diverting from that path, given the huge amounts of money involved.

But, as I've said and as you think as well, neither party was absolutely committed to making that fight at that time anyway, and (provided Wilder and AJ don't lose) they and their clients will be the richer for it