Eddie Hearn speaking in May about Joshua/Wilder

[R_Walken]

Hearn actually gives interviews. Actually answers questions.

I don't think he cares that a bunch of forum dwellers, some of whom would struggle to spell their own name, try to pick holes in his comments.

Hearn gives interviews because he probably loves the camera more then his wife and rarely uses much of that time promoting his fighters instead he would rather promote himself

The Problem with loving the lens is that fans can easily see the non stop lies he spews with his reasons for a Wilder fight not happening that seem to change almost every other day. He hasnt stuck to 1 excuse its always something new and most times it contradicts his previous statements or put them into serious doubt about why the fight hasn’t yet materialized

[Toffee]

Hearn gives interviews because he probably loves the camera more then his wife and rarely uses much of that time promoting his fighters instead he would rather promote himself

The Problem with loving the lens is that fans can easily see the non stop lies he spews with his reasons for a Wilder fight not happening that seem to change almost every other day. He hasnt stuck to 1 excuse its always something new and most times it contradicts his previous statements or put them into serious doubt about why the fight hasn’t yet materialized

I think he's pretty consistent. It's people on here analysing every word that makes him appear inconsistent. If you spoke to hours on camera each week I'm sure we could find some perceived inconsistencies too.

The point I was making, though, was that the others aren't doing this. Does that make them more or less reliable?

We hear very little. Sure, we got Warren saying the Wilder deal was close, but we know that was 100% a lie. We don't need to pick at words or take things out of context for that.

The others, zippo. If they had tried to make the fights they'd tell us wouldn't they? They just get their fighters to repeat "they made a lowball offer so they didn't really want the fight" like none of us are smart enough to twig that Hearn is the only one making offers!

All we've had is that Wilder supposedly emailed Joshua to say he'd get $50M. I don't need to hear much more detail about that exchange to know that's not a serious negotiation or offer.

Do you dispute that Wilder and Fury were both made 40% split offers? Because they don't dispute it. You can't even hide behind the "but they're fighting each other" line because as of this moment, they're not.

[Toffee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppTrXXJRVIM

27:27

Eddie Hearn: "I went back to Al Haymon and asked him six or seven questions, of which they gave us the answers. Some were good answers, some were not so good answers. None were horrific answers."

"It's really a case of does Anthony want to take the fight in Las Vegas."

"There is more money, based on the offer, to do the fight in the US."

"The main thing to decide is are we prepared to go to America. If the answer is yes, we have to go back through the points and try to get it over the line."

"I haven't requested proof of funds."

You missed a lot of that interview out to make your point, which immediately discredits you.

He said they would need to go back on the things that they need to know more about. So that's a long way from an offer you could actually agree to.

He didn't request proof of funds because there was no deal yet. He would request proof of funds if they had a deal. He made that really, really clear. Even clear enough for you to understand and omit from your post.

[R_Walken]

I think he's pretty consistent. It's people on here analysing every word that makes him appear inconsistent. If you spoke to hours on camera each week I'm sure we could find some perceived inconsistencies too.

The point I was making, though, was that the others aren't doing this. Does that make them more or less reliable?

We hear very little. Sure, we got Warren saying the Wilder deal was close, but we know that was 100% a lie. We don't need to pick at words or take things out of context for that.

The others, zippo. If they had tried to make the fights they'd tell us wouldn't they? They just get their fighters to repeat "they made a lowball offer so they didn't really want the fight" like none of us are smart enough to twig that Hearn is the only one making offers!

All we've had is that Wilder supposedly emailed Joshua to say he'd get $50M. I don't need to hear much more detail about that exchange to know that's not a serious negotiation or offer.

Do you dispute that Wilder and Fury were both made 40% split offers? Because they don't dispute it. You can't even hide behind the "but they're fighting each other" line because as of this moment, they're not.

You’re free to believe what you want but maybe those inconsistencies as you call them are because its not the truth. If someone is always telling the truth I don’t think the reasons would be changing the way the do. Sure you could nit pick some things but it always be the somewhat same answer and that isnt the case. The last year these are just some of the reason from memory why the fight hasn’t happend yet

- Wikder has no profile and needs to fight Whyte first to build his name
- The 50 mil offer wasn’t legit
- We wouldn’t consider the now legit 50 mil offer because The fans deserve the fight in the UK and who knows what Wilders team would have demanded
- the WBA ordered a Mando with Povetkin that gives us no choice but to stop negotiating although a unification trumps a Mando
- fight won’t be very big and Hearn is tired of over paying that’s why a flat fee is justified/ although He’s given % to AJ opponets on multiple occasions and flat fee is viewed as a non starter from everyone in the sport
- Not enough time to promote the fight in September properly. But somehow fought Povetkin in September to 80k in Wembley
- Wilder must agree to terms before Dec 1 and
Before Wikder /Fury happens if he wants the fight
- Finkel / Haymon difficult to deal with even though Fury said it was the easiest negotiations he’s had
- AJ and Hearn are being blackballed from making the fight / First time ever Cash cow been blackballed and couldn’t make a fight they wanted.
- Wilder doesn’t really want the fight
- if accepted 50 mil offer it be on BT even though that’d be impossible since AJ is signed to Sky surely they’d know for the fight to happen itd be on sky in the UK


And I’m sure there’s way more excuses and reasons that could’ve been added if someone kept track of why the fight isn’t or didn’t happen according to Hearn

Forget the 50 mil offer which was more of a chess move and trying to put AJ / Hearn in a corner for AJs interview, was probably never intended to be accepted but force Hearn to move off his flat fee offer if he wanted to make the fight but it was legit Wilders team isn’t going to send fake offers just for publicity Haymon doesn’t work that way. No way Hearn would give up control of that fight nor should he but you can’t say you want the fight and offer something you know isn’t going to be accepted. The fact is AJ /Hearn are the cash cow. Never in the sport has a cash cow had troubles making a fight that they actually wanted to make, unless both guys are $ earners. The cash cows always have fighters doing whatever it takes for the payday and chance to get the fight. BUT somehow For the first time in the sport AJ/Wilder can’t be made when the Asides team supposedly desperately wants the fight . When Hearn wants to make it it’ll happen and he probably won’t be giving updates and excuses through the media when or if it happens.

As for the 40% offer how can that be taken seriously when negotiations were under way for a Wilder /Fury rematch which seemed like it was happening until Fury pulled some shady sh.it and pretty ran away from the fight obviously Hearns offer wasn’t going to be considered at that time and he knows that just a PR stunt. Because everyone in the sport except Fury you don’t negotiate 2 fights / Contracts at the same time

Like I said believe what you want but to me for a team that holds all the cards of when the fight happens it sure looks like excuses and PR stunts from them why the fight hasn’t happend yet.

[SeGoodland]

I think he's pretty consistent. It's people on here analysing every word that makes him appear inconsistent. If you spoke to hours on camera each week I'm sure we could find some perceived inconsistencies too.

The point I was making, though, was that the others aren't doing this. Does that make them more or less reliable?

We hear very little. Sure, we got Warren saying the Wilder deal was close, but we know that was 100% a lie. We don't need to pick at words or take things out of context for that.

The others, zippo. If they had tried to make the fights they'd tell us wouldn't they? They just get their fighters to repeat "they made a lowball offer so they didn't really want the fight" like none of us are smart enough to twig that Hearn is the only one making offers!

All we've had is that Wilder supposedly emailed Joshua to say he'd get $50M. I don't need to hear much more detail about that exchange to know that's not a serious negotiation or offer.

Do you dispute that Wilder and Fury were both made 40% split offers? Because they don't dispute it. You can't even hide behind the "but they're fighting each other" line because as of this moment, they're not.

Good post. Follows my thoughts exactly and promotes my agenda so it gets a double thumbs up.

[SeGoodland]

Wikder has no profile and needs to fight Whyte first to build his name
- The 50 mil offer wasn’t legit
- We wouldn’t consider the now legit 50 mil offer because The fans deserve the fight in the UK and who knows what Wilders team would have demanded
- the WBA ordered a Mando with Povetkin that gives us no choice but to stop negotiating although a unification trumps a Mando
- fight won’t be very big and Hearn is tired of over paying that’s why a flat fee is justified/ although He’s given % to AJ opponets on multiple occasions and flat fee is viewed as a non starter from everyone in the sport
- Not enough time to promote the fight in September properly. But somehow fought Povetkin in September to 80k in Wembley
- Wilder must agree to terms before Dec 1 and
Before Wikder /Fury happens if he wants the fight
- Finkel / Haymon difficult to deal with even though Fury said it was the easiest negotiations he’s had
- AJ and Hearn are being blackballed from making the fight / First time ever Cash cow been blackballed and couldn’t make a fight they wanted.
- Wilder doesn’t really want the fight
- if accepted 50 mil offer it be on BT even though that’d be impossible since AJ is signed to Sky surely they’d know for the fight to happen itd be on sky in the UK

Sorry to break your post up, just wanted to go through your points instead.

1. The $50m was a REAL offer but it wasn't a LEGITIMATE offer. Its been pretty well documented and discussed that Joshua wouldn't take the fight based on the terms they offered because of x,y and z.

2. I think Hearn, not Joshua, has been pretty consistent in his reponse to the '$50m' question - 'where was the contract?' and 'They wouldn't meet us for a chat'. I get the '$50m offer' has been discussed to death on here but after the offer was given and the Joshua declined it, there has never been anything that has come out of Wilders camp to say that they ever met up with Hearn. We all know that Wilder ended up saying that they aren't dealing with Joshua and Hearn any more. We also know that Wilder 'accepted' the flat fee offer, in whatever form of acceptance that was because 'He wanted to show the fans that he wanted the fight!' Great, Deontay. Why didn't the fight get made? Wilder reportedly didn't sign any contract...tit for tat really.

3. The WBC mandated the rematch with Fury - why can't they negotiate with Hearn for a clash with Joshua? Hypocritical.

4. It was report before the Fury/Wilder fight that if it did over a million PPV sales in US then the Joshua v Wilder value goes up. Yes, Wilder's value went up anyway but the fight didn't sell over 1m and then Hearn improved his offer to 60/40...so thats not really a decent point to use there.

5. I didn't hear that so I will just have to take your word for it.

6. Yeah, that was just an attempt to secure Wilder before his value went up, ****ty move and disrespectful to Wilder but that is business. If it was the other way around, I'm sure you'd say it was unfair but business, right?

7. Thats more subjective, isn't it? Fury saw the opportunity to make the fight so he accepted a lot of the conditions of the contract. Fury was still on the patch to full recovery and them BOOM, he can secure a near immediate title fight, I'm sure it was easy to make. It is just clear that Finkel and Eddie don't see eye to eye! Barry doesn't really touch the boxing aspect of Matchroom but maybe it would have been easier if Barry had done it. Who knows?

8. I still believe that Wilder doesn't want the fight. Not so much that he doesn't want to fight the man, he just doesn't want to fight the man where he has to surrender his control of a lot of the conditions of the fight. Arum publically reported recently that Finkel/Haymon will do anything to give Wilder the upper hand through demands in negotiations. Another obvious one is that Fury was only 80-90% recovered for the December fight, maybe only 70-80%, of course Wilder would have known that and could see the opportunity to add the lineal title to his collection and in turn, increase his negotiating power for the AJ fight. Thats a no-brainer. It just backfired on Wilder, not loads but a lot of the boxing community believe that Fury won the fight, it might only be 50% of the boxing community but I would wager that only maybe 10-15% thought Fury would get a 'result' from that match.

9. That is true though, Joshua is committed to Sky Sports in the UK. But, Hearn has now come out and said that a fight with Fury could be negotiated (in America???, not 100%). More of a power play because the Wilder negotations have cooled down, Hearn is doing to Wilder what Fury did to Joshua.

Don't want to split hairs with you but those, IMO, are the answers you are looking for.

[R_Walken]

Sorry to break your post up, just wanted to go through your points instead.

1. The $50m was a REAL offer but it wasn't a LEGITIMATE offer. Its been pretty well documented and discussed that Joshua wouldn't take the fight based on the terms they offered because of x,y and z.

2. I think Hearn, not Joshua, has been pretty consistent in his reponse to the '$50m' question - 'where was the contract?' and 'They wouldn't meet us for a chat'. I get the '$50m offer' has been discussed to death on here but after the offer was given and the Joshua declined it, there has never been anything that has come out of Wilders camp to say that they ever met up with Hearn. We all know that Wilder ended up saying that they aren't dealing with Joshua and Hearn any more. We also know that Wilder 'accepted' the flat fee offer, in whatever form of acceptance that was because 'He wanted to show the fans that he wanted the fight!' Great, Deontay. Why didn't the fight get made? Wilder reportedly didn't sign any contract...tit for tat really.

3. The WBC mandated the rematch with Fury - why can't they negotiate with Hearn for a clash with Joshua? Hypocritical.

4. It was report before the Fury/Wilder fight that if it did over a million PPV sales in US then the Joshua v Wilder value goes up. Yes, Wilder's value went up anyway but the fight didn't sell over 1m and then Hearn improved his offer to 60/40...so thats not really a decent point to use there.

5. I didn't hear that so I will just have to take your word for it.

6. Yeah, that was just an attempt to secure Wilder before his value went up, ****ty move and disrespectful to Wilder but that is business. If it was the other way around, I'm sure you'd say it was unfair but business, right?

7. Thats more subjective, isn't it? Fury saw the opportunity to make the fight so he accepted a lot of the conditions of the contract. Fury was still on the patch to full recovery and them BOOM, he can secure a near immediate title fight, I'm sure it was easy to make. It is just clear that Finkel and Eddie don't see eye to eye! Barry doesn't really touch the boxing aspect of Matchroom but maybe it would have been easier if Barry had done it. Who knows?

8. I still believe that Wilder doesn't want the fight. Not so much that he doesn't want to fight the man, he just doesn't want to fight the man where he has to surrender his control of a lot of the conditions of the fight. Arum publically reported recently that Finkel/Haymon will do anything to give Wilder the upper hand through demands in negotiations. Another obvious one is that Fury was only 80-90% recovered for the December fight, maybe only 70-80%, of course Wilder would have known that and could see the opportunity to add the lineal title to his collection and in turn, increase his negotiating power for the AJ fight. Thats a no-brainer. It just backfired on Wilder, not loads but a lot of the boxing community believe that Fury won the fight, it might only be 50% of the boxing community but I would wager that only maybe 10-15% thought Fury would get a 'result' from that match.

9. That is true though, Joshua is committed to Sky Sports in the UK. But, Hearn has now come out and said that a fight with Fury could be negotiated (in America???, not 100%). More of a power play because the Wilder negotations have cooled down, Hearn is doing to Wilder what Fury did to Joshua.

Don't want to split hairs with you but those, IMO, are the answers you are looking for.

Yeah we could go back And forth About every reason given and why I think it mostly a lie and you thinking it’s a reasonable reason and the truth is probably somewhere in the middle

But I’ll just say as the side that can make the fight happen when they want to me its seems like there’s always a excuse or reason by Hearn why it hasn’t happend yet whether it fake roadblocks or disingenuous flat fee offers to me he’s the reason.

It’s like the Mayweather/PAC fight for years Arum wasn’t finished milking Pac for every nickel he could get so didnt want to risk a L against Mayweather and have the brinks truck stop from coming in

So for years it was a new excuse , build a stadium, PAC afraid of needles , Commission is good enough and
What ever else , when he wanted to make it because PACs brand had faded a bit and was time to cash out he did, its not exactly the same but similar in a promoter not being honest giving excuses and not wanting to set up the fight right now. But when it’s time he will

[SeGoodland]

Yeah we could go back And forth About every reason given and why I think it mostly a lie and you thinking it’s a reasonable reason and the truth is probably somewhere in the middle

But I’ll just say as the side that can make the fight happen when they want to me its seems like there’s always a excuse or reason by Hearn why it hasn’t happend yet whether it fake roadblocks or disingenuous flat fee offers to me he’s the reason.

Bottom line is, we both want the fight.

I think Hearn takes too much camera/interview time. Joshua needs to be more active between fights and Hearn less.

We need mandatory public negotiations. I wish I knew more about the '$50m offer', the 'flat fee' and the two '60/40 offers' to Wilder and Fury.

[R_Walken]

Bottom line is, we both want the fight.

I think Hearn takes too much camera/interview time. Joshua needs to be more active between fights and Hearn less.

We need mandatory public negotiations. I wish I knew more about the '$50m offer', the 'flat fee' and the two '60/40 offers' to Wilder and Fury.

Couldn’t agree more , that’s all that really matters at the end of the days is setting up a fight between the two sometime in the near future. Because it’s the biggest fight that can be made and that’s all fans care about

The negotiations really don’t mean sh.it as
For who gets what % or purse or whatever else they agree upon it’s all irrelevant when it’s all said and done

Just make the f.ucking fight and that goes for both sides.

[DaNeutral.]

LOL, May? I dont know whats happened in the last couple of days but Wilder fans seem to be in some sort of serious damage control at the minute. Ive said as time rolls on all the nonsense from Wilders side will all start to fall down as they get found out.

I feel this is still going back to the 50 million offer, the Wilder fans really need to defend this hard as its the only thing they been clinging to for ages now. But as ive said from the beginning, who knows where we would be now if only FINKEL HAD SENT THE CONTRACT instead of saying NO. Who the **** says no to giving the other side the contract when they want to make a fight? Or is it because it is becoming more obvious by the day that Wilder will be fighting Breazeale next like alot of people predicted when he had an opportunity to fight for undisputed.