Arum isn't sending Wilder a contract to fight Fury....

[Eff Pandas]

Neither of us has seen Arum's offers, but only one of us is acting like he has.

I didn't say I knew the deal. I know Arum from his past dealings doe & thats his standard line. Maybe he's doing something different this time, but I'd bet against it & win more bets than I'd lose.

Funny how Arum and Hearn both turn into lowballing, double dealing snakes when either of them starts trying to negotiate a fight with Wilder innit.

Has zero to do with Wilder if you've seen my posting history about Arum. Been calling him a bean counter or low baller or other similar terms for years. Thats his promoting angle or speciality I guess I'd even go so far to say. And its worked for him to keep TR winning for decades. Fair play to him, but that style doesn't produce many across promotional boundary fights & thats why all the biggest fights for the biggest TR names came outside of TR. That ain't no accident. Thats cuz Arum doesn't part with a penny unless he's 1000% sure he can make a penny & a half back. And like I said its worked for him, but its not the style of promotion risk taking that makes big fights happen.

And Joshua seems to be the main catalyst behind Hearn's lowballing offers. But I also suspect he's not as bankrolled as rumored also at least with his DAZN money.

[kafkod]

I didn't say I knew the deal. I know Arum from his past dealings doe & thats his standard line. Maybe he's doing something different this time, but I'd bet against it & win more bets than I'd lose.



Has zero to do with Wilder if you've seen my posting history about Arum. Been calling him a bean counter or low baller or other similar terms for years. Thats his promoting angle or speciality I guess I'd even go so far to say. And its worked for him to keep TR winning for decades. Fair play to him, but that style doesn't produce many across promotional boundary fights & thats why all the biggest fights for the biggest TR names came outside of TR. That ain't no accident. Thats cuz Arum doesn't part with a penny unless he's 1000% sure he can make a penny & a half back. And like I said its worked for him, but its not the style of promotion risk taking that makes big fights happen.

And Joshua seems to be the main catalyst behind Hearn's lowballing offers. But I also suspect he's not as bankrolled as rumored also at least with his DAZN money.

Wilder is a free agent, but Haymon has deals with Fox and ST. Haymon is also very cunning and Wilder is very dumb.

That's why neither Arum nor Hearn have been able to make fights with Deontay.

[Eff Pandas]

Wilder is a free agent, but Haymon has deals with Fox and ST. Haymon is also very cunning and Wilder is very dumb.

That's why neither Arum nor Hearn have been able to make fights with Deontay.

Are we debating the dumbest HW's or who's known for being a short paying promoter for big fights & a manipulative offer guy? I'm talking about the latter. There is certainly no shortage of dumb HWs (or other weight divisions) being that rocket scientist seldom become boxers.

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hes the absolute worst

no one on this platform is worst than you, maybe with the exception of 5000boxing.

[kafkod]

Are we debating the dumbest HW's or who's known for being a short paying promoter for big fights & a manipulative offer guy? I'm talking about the latter. There is certainly no shortage of dumb HWs (or other weight divisions) being that rocket scientist seldom become boxers.

Nobody comes close to Haymon there.

$500k to Ortiz for fighting Wilder.

$2 or $3million for Wilder - when, as we all know, $15million is crackhead money to a mega star like him.

$50million "offer" to AJ - which they knew he couldn't accept, and was only made to manipulate puplic opinion.

[Eff Pandas]

Nobody comes close to Haymon there.

$500k to Ortiz for fighting Wilder.

$2 or $3million for Wilder - when, as we all know, $15million is crackhead money to a mega star like him.

$50million "offer" to AJ - which they knew he couldn't accept, and was only made to manipulate puplic opinion.

Funny I don't hear fighters complaining.

You can Google at your leisure all the past TR fighters who complain about pay & manipulative offers.

And the thing with Haymon first off is he's not even a promoter despite people like you trying to crown him one.

Second I don't think we know how much many bigger name PBC guys make due to those patented Haymon 2nd checks. But as stated you don't hear much b^tching about money on the PBC side of the street unless it involves offers from promoters like Arum or Eddie to sign free agents.

[kafkod]

Funny I don't hear fighters complaining.

You can Google at your leisure all the past TR fighters who complain about pay & manipulative offers.

And the thing with Haymon first off is he's not even a promoter despite people like you trying to crown him one.

Second I don't think we know how much many bigger name PBC guys make due to those patented Haymon 2nd checks. But as stated you don't hear much b^tching about money on the PBC side of the street unless it involves offers from promoters like Arum or Eddie to sign free agents.

I think you must have been kidnapped and brainwashed by the PBC goon squad during your time away from the forum last year.

[Eff Pandas]

I think you must have been kidnapped and brainwashed by the PBC goon squad during your time away from the forum last year.

What facts about Haymon am I saying that sound like brain washing?

There are few who complain about Haymon & he's actively associated with more high level boxers than any 3 promoters so he'd seem ripe for more guys b^tching cuz there are only so many hours in the day.

And the Haymon second checks are well documented & I believe Arum or Oscar even brought that up in their lawsuit vs Haymon.

But nice job on avoiding the real topic I brought up initially that you keep running from, that Arum is a manipulative offer & lowball promoter whos lost all his biggest names of the last era (Floyd, Oscar, Manny & Miguel) cuz he's not paying top dollar to boxers & can't make the big money legacy fights for them (unless its in house).

Look at Loma & Bud now. Mikey coulda been a better opponent for either of them, but Mikey went with the PBC (Pay Better Cash) option.

[kafkod]

What facts about Haymon am I saying that sound like brain washing?

There are few who complain about Haymon & he's actively associated with more high level boxers than any 3 promoters so he'd seem ripe for more guys b^tching cuz there are only so many hours in the day.

And the Haymon second checks are well documented & I believe Arum or Oscar even brought that up in their lawsuit vs Haymon.

But nice job on avoiding the real topic I brought up initially that you keep running from, that Arum is a manipulative offer & lowball promoter whos lost all his biggest names of the last era (Floyd, Oscar, Manny & Miguel) cuz he's not paying top dollar to boxers & can't make the big money legacy fights for them (unless its in house).

Look at Loma & Bud now. Mikey coulda been a better opponent for either of them, but Mikey went with the PBC (Pay Better Cash) option.

Tell that to Wilder when he defends his world title for less than half the money Miller is getting to challenge AJ for his.

[Eff Pandas]

Tell that to Wilder when he defends his world title for less than half the money Miller is getting to challenge AJ for his.

Still trying to change the subject huh? I don't blame you its impossible to defend Arum.