Comments Thread For: Wilder: I'm A (Network) Free Agent; I Can Fight Anyone, Anywhere!

[Scipio2009]

I don’t think you understand how promotion works, you typing with emotions. If the fight happens on ESPN they would control everything. All the advantages would be stack in their corner, which means Fury has a better chance to win and take that belt off Wilder.

The judges, referee would be on Fury’s side. The only bargaining chip PBC/Wilder currently have is that WBC belt. He would have to go over to ESPN and literally KO Fury to retain his belt, he wouldn’t get the extra help like he got in the Ortiz fight, he wouldn’t get a “Draw” from losing 9/10 rounds and winning two rounds from KD against a Fury who has fought two bums in 2 and a half years. He would have the everything stack against him.

So no I doubt Haymon would send him over there.

You're not understanding, lol.

The American judge went AGAINST Deontay Wilder, the British judge scored the fight even, and Jack Reis basically gave Fury a 15 count.

If you honestly think that Top Rank can massage better than that out of the Nevada, New York, Texas, or New Jersey commission, for a fight with this profile, you're bugging.

And that's before you remember that Wilder basically figured Fury's timing, to the point that he flattened him with a right hand/left hook in the 12th.

Fury's not swimming without getting wet for another 12 rounds; that's pretty obvious by now.

So yeah, $30m to give Wilder another twelve rounds to land his shot in the 12th round again (with the side benefit of making Top Rank look like ****, for locking Fury up for all that money only to see him washed in the first fight and Wilder leaving)? Yes, Haymon advises that fight 10 out of 10 times.

[Ray*]

You're not understanding, lol.

The American judge went AGAINST Deontay Wilder, the British judge scored the fight even, and Jack Reis basically gave Fury a 15 count.

If you honestly think that Top Rank can massage better than that out of the Nevada, New York, Texas, or New Jersey commission, for a fight with this profile, you're bugging.

And that's before you remember that Wilder basically figured Fury's timing, to the point that he flattened him with a right hand/left hook in the 12th.

Fury's not swimming without getting wet for another 12 rounds; that's pretty obvious by now.

So yeah, $30m to give Wilder another twelve rounds to land his shot in the 12th round again (with the side benefit of making Top Rank look like ****, for locking Fury up for all that money only to see him washed in the first fight and Wilder leaving)? Yes, Haymon advises that fight 10 out of 10 times.

Does matter if Wilder KO Fury, that not the point here. The point is would Haymon let Wilder go fight Fury on another network/promotional outfit.

Everything would be stacked in Fury's side. All this rubbish about timing, landing on Fury etc means nothing. So unless Wilder goes over to ESPN and actually KO Fury then he would be in danger of loving that belt.

And without that belt Wilder is not as marketable, if he was that marketable then he would be the one with deals not his other rivals.

[Scipio2009]

Again Wilder cannot make anything close to 10m dollars fighting Ortiz rematch or Breazeale, he calls his own shot but that means earning maximum 5m dollars. Your figure projection is not realistic when you look at the future sales, cuts etc

There is a season Wilder doesn’t have a deal with any networks, and it’s not because he doesn’t want to sign a deal. If the money is great he would be signed exclusively to one by now. Most of them just don’t think he brings that money back for them.

Breazeale is likely a fight for Showtime or FOX (FOX may even be willing to chance a PPV if the fight was later in the year, say August), but if Ortiz wins his March fight in style, he would've stopped his next three opponents after the Wilder barnburner, and Wilder-Ortiz 2 would draw on PPV, imo anyway.

[Ray*]

Breazeale is likely a fight for Showtime or FOX (FOX may even be willing to chance a PPV if the fight was later in the year, say August), but if Ortiz wins his March fight in style, he would've stopped his next three opponents after the Wilder barnburner, and Wilder-Ortiz 2 would draw on PPV, imo anyway.

Yes Wilder/Ortiz II can be PPV but we all know the issue when relating to Ortiz. He doesn't bring the sort of number that would help Wilder sell that fight.

That fight would need to do well PPV wise for Wilder to get the sort of money those other guys (Fury/Joshua even Whyte) get.

Breazeale fight i don't see how that would be on PPV unless its for 30 dollars.

[Scipio2009]

Does matter if Wilder KO Fury, that not the point here. The point is would Haymon let Wilder go fight Fury on another network/promotional outfit.

Everything would be stacked in Fury's side. All this rubbish about timing, landing on Fury etc means nothing. So unless Wilder goes over to ESPN and actually KO Fury then he would be in danger of loving that belt.

And without that belt Wilder is not as marketable, if he was that marketable then he would be the one with deals not his other rivals.

Wilder is $30m richer, for a fight that he has every chance to win, without any options binding him beyond that single fight.

Risk is risk, but Haymon has never shown himself to be someone to dissuade fights, and Wilder would likely fancy his chances.

Haymon's sole goal as an operator is to do right by the fighters he works on behalf of, full stop. Deliver the best money and best fights for Wilder, and let Wilder choose.

If he gets beat, he gets beat; Haymon isn't going to abandon him, and Showtime isn't abandoning Wilder after a single fight either. lol

[Ray*]

Wilder is $30m richer, for a fight that he has every chance to win, without any options binding him beyond that single fight.

Risk is risk, but Haymon has never shown himself to be someone to dissuade fights, and Wilder would likely fancy his chances.

Haymon's sole goal as an operator is to do right by the fighters he works on behalf of, full stop. Deliver the best money and best fights for Wilder, and let Wilder choose.

If he gets beat, he gets beat; Haymon isn't going to abandon him, and Showtime isn't abandoning Wilder after a single fight either. lol

If he takes that fight on ESPN (As long as no options is placed on him), then i would have a new found respect for Wilder.

Because he would be fighting against Fury on Fury's promotional network, which means thing would be stacked against Wilder going in to that fight.

So we would see how this plays out over the next few weeks.

[Scipio2009]

Yes Wilder/Ortiz II can be PPV but we all know the issue when relating to Ortiz. He doesn't bring the sort of number that would help Wilder sell that fight.

That fight would need to do well PPV wise for Wilder to get the sort of money those other guys (Fury/Joshua even Whyte) get.

Breazeale fight i don't see how that would be on PPV unless its for 30 dollars.

Wilder is on his own path; with the Fury PPV, the Breazeale fight on Showtime or FOX, and then the Ortiz2 PPV (which would be the 10th successful title defense), The Deontay Wilder Show is in the PPV business. It's not Fury's guaranteed $20m, but Wilder would be on an easy $15m and still free to speak as he saw fit.

[The plunger man]

250k PPV buys on SHOPPV is basically $9.5m in the pot. Gates in New York aren't really clear to me, but Wilder draws well at Barclays, so let's call that $3m for the full live event. And Haymon has his ITV deal for basically all of his shows not tied elsewhere worth who knows how much.

He likely needs another PPV to set it (Ortiz2 would work), but Wilder owns his own show and is basically on $10m+ after the next fight on going forward.

Not having the guarantee is risky, but he's still calls his shots, is likely a $10m+ PPV fighter after his next 1-2 fights (Wilder-TBA at 250k buys), and will own his show on $40m+ were he to break through.

And that's the rub; Fury is now on this 5-fight, $100m deal, but now he's got to hurry up and sit; Bob Arum is calling the shot for who/when/where Fury fights, so talking to Fury about anything no longer means ****.

Wilder controls his own fate; Fury can no longer say this, and it seems like Joshua can't either.

no it’s not 9 million pays for the whole show , promotion , undercard fighters , wbc fees , wilderds opponent also gets paid and it seems you have completely disregarded that cost .on 250k wilder will be lucky if he walks away with 8 million and the bottom line is will take home a lot less than the 15 million guarantee plus upside vs Joshua.
Wilder will now drop back down to 2.5 to 4 million dollar purses.
Wilder is just not a household name go carry a ppv fight against who name is not Joshua or fury.

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Nah, Let Fury come to him man. After all, he is the WBC titleholder. Moreover, there's about a snow ball's chance of Hell of Wilder bolting Showtime and the PBC for ESPN for just £3million.

[The plunger man]

You're not understanding, lol.

The American judge went AGAINST Deontay Wilder, the British judge scored the fight even, and Jack Reis basically gave Fury a 15 count.

If you honestly think that Top Rank can massage better than that out of the Nevada, New York, Texas, or New Jersey commission, for a fight with this profile, you're bugging.

And that's before you remember that Wilder basically figured Fury's timing, to the point that he flattened him with a right hand/left hook in the 12th.

Fury's not swimming without getting wet for another 12 rounds; that's pretty obvious by now.

So yeah, $30m to give Wilder another twelve rounds to land his shot in the 12th round again (with the side benefit of making Top Rank look like ****, for locking Fury up for all that money only to see him washed in the first fight and Wilder leaving)? Yes, Haymon advises that fight 10 out of 10 times.

you don’t know how to count is all o have to say to that as fury was at 9.9 it’s furys fault why wilder was not in a neutral corner and whether he was in corner or not he was up before 10 and it’s only because fury got over confident in the 12th.
And don’t talk about long counts when wilder was giving an extra 30 seconds by the ref against Ortiz when he was literally cooked. Fury schooled wilder and now it’s only a matter of time before he loses his protected belt.