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  • koolkc107
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    This One Isn't On AJ

    I have been among the most vocal of critics of Anthony Joshua for avoiding what I thought were good fights.

    I still think the reason AJ has not fought Ortiz or Wilder and now Fury is largely a result of Hearn not wanting those fights and AJ allowing his promoter to dictate as such.

    But, this latest?

    This latest is not on AJ (or Hearn for that matter) and is actually a very good move.

    Wilder or Fury will not be available. They are fighting each other again in a fight that may be just as lucrative or more lucrative as a Wembley fight with AJ.

    That isn't really AJ's fault (at least not directly)...or Fury's or Deontay's. If it's anyone's fault, it's Hearn's (for creating the conditions that made the Wilder vs Fury fight a viable alternative).

    Luis Ortiz isn't available either. He is fighting next month and it might be asking too much of a 39 year old to turn around in less than 3 months- the last time he fought 2 fights within 3 months time was 2015. Besides, there is a history of pretty bad blood between Ortiz and both Matchroom heavies, with Ortiz accusing both of avoiding him.

    No one really wants to see a Whyte rematch either. And, a second win does nothing for AJ except further line his pockets...but a one-sided or quick outcome in an April Wembley Whyte rematch that was overhyped might do more harm than good to AJ's bottom line. Yes, it would be another boatload of money for AJ, but a shyt fight would be the thing that could very well kill the golden goose, so why risk that?

    No, the Miller fight is the right call for here and now, for this particular set of circumstances. It introduces him to an American audience up close and personal, and gives him the chance to really state his case for being a draw internationally, and not just in Britain.

    I know folks want to point out how AJ should have made his American debut in what is still probably the biggest fight that can be made in the sport, but folks need to also recognize that

    a) The Wilder fight was never going to be realistic for the first part of 2019 as soon as the Fury fight was a draw and,

    b) It's probably better this way because a decent showing against Miller (who is very credible as an opponent) will go a long way towards making a Wilder vs AJ showdown even bigger.

    These next two fights might serve as an unofficial semi-final with (hopefully) AJ and Wilder emerging victorious to set up the Mega fight in the Fall of 2019.

    And btw, while I fully expect AJ to beat Miller, this is no gimme fight for AJ.

    There is a scenario by which Big Baby could win, but he'd have to be very clever and disciplined about it...that, and avoid the worst of AJ's bombs for 12 rounds.

    Possible? Yes. Probable? No.

    Credit to AJ and Hearn for making the best out of a bad situation...even if it was likely Hearn's lowball tactics that were at least partly responsible for making this necessary in the first place.
    Last edited by koolkc107; 02-14-2019, 09:10 PM.
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    #2
    HW ratings.

    1. Joshua
    2. Wilder (Offered 60/40, turned down 15 mil last year to fight Fury for 7)
    3. Fury (Offered 60/40)
    4. Whyte (Already beat, Whyte asking for too much for a rematch)
    5. Povetkin (Just beat)
    6. Miller (Fighting next)

    Joshua's competition is fine.

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    • RJJ-94-02=GOAT
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      Hearn is massively culpable but at some point a fighter must take ownership of his own career.

      Do you think Team Fury wanted him to fight Wilder so early into his comeback?

      Do you think Team Wilder wanted Deontay to go through with the Ortiz fight after he popped? Do you think they wanted him to take a voluntary defence against Tyson Fury?

      Excuses, excuses, excuses... I’m tired of them.

      Don’t quote me fanboys. (You’re probably on ignore anyway tbh, so don’t expect a response)
      Last edited by RJJ-94-02=GOAT; 02-14-2019, 07:35 PM.

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      • Kezzer
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        #4
        Joshua has already beaten Klischko, Parker, Povetkin, Takam, Whyte and Brezeale.

        We also know both Wilder and Fury have turned down 40% / biggest ever paydays.

        He now has critics for taking on another opponent who is top10 and arguably top5.

        I’m having none of it while his opponents have resumes of 1 or 2 top10 opposition against their name.

        For me, Joshua can still take on Usyk, Ortiz, Whyte2, Fury and Wilder after Miller and I’m unlikely to be critical regardless of order. I “might” include Pulev there but only if mandated.

        Others like Kownacki, Joyce, etc may get themselves into that position in future but at this moment I don’t think there is anyone else I would like him to face - and that’s largely because he has set high standard expectations already.
        Last edited by Kezzer; 02-14-2019, 08:11 PM.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Kezzer
          Joshua has already beaten Klischko, Parker, Povetkin, Taiwan, Whyte and Brezeale.

          We also know both Wilder and Fury have turned down 40% / biggest ever paydays.

          He now has critics for taking on another opponent who is top10 and arguably top5.

          I’m having none of it while his opponents have resumes of 1 or 2 top10 opposition against their name.

          For me, Joshua can still take on Usyk, Ortiz, Whyte2, Fury and Wilder after Miller and I’m unlikely to be critical regardless of order. I “might” include Pulev there but only if mandated.

          Others like Kownacki, Joyce, etc may get themselves into that position in future but at this moment I don’t think there is anyone else I would like him to face - and that’s largely because he has set high standard expectations already.
          A formidable list, especially that Taiwan.

          Thing is, Ortiz and Fury probably beat all of them.

          I get the criticism of some of Wilder's past opponents.

          But his 2018 opponents are arguably better than any of AJ's.

          That said, you will not find me criticizing AJ for fighting Miller or going to NY to do so.

          It's the right move.

          And Miller is more than a credible opponent.

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          • Kezzer
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            #6
            Originally posted by koolkc107
            A formidable list, especially that Taiwan.

            Thing is, Ortiz and Fury probably beat all of them.

            I get the criticism of some of Wilder's past opponents.

            But his 2018 opponents are arguably better than any of AJ's.

            That said, you will not find me criticizing AJ for fighting Miller or going to NY to do so.

            It's the right move.

            And Miller is more than a credible opponent.
            Haha I meant to say Takam! Have edited!

            Agree that Ortiz and fury may beat them - but neither have faced them. People are critical of wilder, but outside of AJ, most of the top heavyweights haven’t fought many either.

            Ortiz and Miller have literally beaten nobody, Fury beat Klitschko but nobody else.

            I give credit to Parker too because you have to say he hasn’t been ducking either.

            He’s beaten Takam, Ruiz Jr, fury (Hughie), and faced Joshua and Whyte. Now he’s expected to take on Povetkin or Chisora who is much improved recently and a bit of a red herring for most (you won’t get the credit due to the losses he has previously). Now Parker has taken on some less credible opponents like wilder too to be fair if he’s calling Povetkin/Chisora out now that is a good sign and suggests he will fight the rest too!

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              Originally posted by Kezzer
              Haha I meant to say Takam! Have edited!

              Agree that Ortiz and fury may beat them - but neither have faced them. People are critical of wilder, but outside of AJ, most of the top heavyweights haven’t fought many either.

              Ortiz and Miller have literally beaten nobody, Fury beat Klitschko but nobody else.

              I give credit to Parker too because you have to say he hasn’t been ducking either.

              He’s beaten Takam, Ruiz Jr, fury (Hughie), and faced Joshua and Whyte. Now he’s expected to take on Povetkin or Chisora who is much improved recently and a bit of a red herring for most (you won’t get the credit due to the losses he has previously). Now Parker has taken on some less credible opponents like wilder too to be fair if he’s calling Povetkin/Chisora out now that is a good sign and suggests he will fight the rest too!
              I know you meant Takam, but I did laugh like hell.

              All I am saying is criticizing Wilder's resume used to be kind of a thing, but it shouldn't be any longer.

              Not with him fighting who he fought in 2018 and coming thru it still holding his belts.

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                Wilder, Fury and Whyte all turned down career high paydays to fight Joshua at wembley in April for 3 belts.

                That's really the end of the discussion. Miller is a decent option I'm looking forward to it

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                  I don’t think 80k watching him on the Dazn app really intros him to America

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                  • koolkc107
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by earl-hickey
                    Wilder, Fury and Whyte all turned down career high paydays to fight Joshua at wembley in April for 3 belts.

                    That's really the end of the discussion. Miller is a decent option I'm looking forward to it
                    They turned down career high paydays because they deserved more (at least Wilder and Fury did) and Hearn knows it.

                    Why else is the April 13th date a bust without them?

                    Why else is America all of a sudden on the menu?

                    Seems to me, the discussion- the real talk- is just beginning.

                    Hopefully, Hearn has been humbled enough to deal straighter next time.

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