Comments Thread For: Hearn: Joshua-Wilder Does Over 1 Million PPV Buys in America

[kafkod]

Didn’t score the fight but after Watching I didn’t have a problem with a draw , I’m a fan of Both but don’t think you can take the strap off the Champ when you’re lyig lifeless on the canvass for 5-6 seconds in the 12th

And if it was any other ref but Reiss , that fight would have ended and no one would have had a issue with it




I get how scoring works.

All these Sudden Fury fans who know dam.n well if that fight happend in the UK and Wilder was British that fight would have ended , crying about he got shafted or if the tables were turned and Wilder was lying on his back in the 12th they wouldn’t have still been crying that the fight should have been stopped

You can’t honestly say the challenger deserves the belt after winning 7-8 rounds but getting KD 2x in the last 4 rounds And once in the 12th where he laid lifeless for 5-6 seconds ,in which no one could have complained if the fight was called right then

Let the rematch settle it

The fight wasn't stopped right then though, and harping on about how it could have been has no bearing on the way the fight was scored.

But he people at this forum who complaining endlessly if a fight is stopped without a count in the UK wouldn't have complained if it had happened to Fury. So to that extent, you are correct.

[KTFOKING]

It's not a question of Hearn getting what he wants, but of DAZN and Sky getting their contractual rights. It would have to be on Sky in the UK, because AJ would have to pay a massive penalty fee if he broke his contract with them.

We know that Hearn's contract with DAZN gives them first dibs on all his fights, in the US and the UK. If they want a fight, and they match the highest offer from anybody else, they get it. And they would match anything ST was prepared to pay.

AJ is going to be paid as much for fighting Miller as Canelo earned for his first fight with GGG, and that sold 1.3million PPVs on HBO.

LOL, if you think it will be that easy I have some bad news for you.

Wilder's side isn't going to just agree to have the fight on DAZN. So should Wilder now sign an official deal with SHO so he could say the fight only happens on SHO because I'm obligated to fight on that network?

Canelo made over 40M in the first GGG fight, Joshua isn't getting that for Miller.

https://www.forbes.com/athletes/#7da25cfc55ae

By all accounts, it seems like Canelo-GGG for the rematch were both paid over 40M, or close to it in regards to GGG and closer to 50M for Canelo, then Wilder-Joshua may be even more lucrative than that when you add in how much it will do in UK PPVs. If it happens in the US, I don't see it happening anywhere but SHO PPV.

[Cobra Curry]

Didn’t score the fight but after Watching I didn’t have a problem with a draw , I’m a fan of Both but don’t think you can take the strap off the Champ when you’re lyig lifeless on the canvass for 5-6 seconds in the 12th

And if it was any other ref but Reiss , that fight would have ended and no one would have had a issue with it




I get how scoring works.

All these Sudden Fury fans who know dam.n well if that fight happend in the UK and Wilder was British that fight would have ended , crying about he got shafted or if the tables were turned and Wilder was lying on his back in the 12th they wouldn’t have still been crying that the fight should have been stopped

You can’t honestly say the challenger deserves the belt after winning 7-8 rounds but getting KD 2x in the last 4 rounds And once in the 12th where he laid lifeless for 5-6 seconds ,in which no one could have complained if the fight was called right then

Let the rematch settle it

Nothing to do with being a "Fury fan", it's just maths, plain and simple.

Could the fight have been stopped? Sure, but I think you're underestimating how many refs would have issued a count, if only as a formality; Fury was ahead in the last round of a title fight after all.
The fact that Wilder never looked like finishing the job supports the ref's actions.

Genuinely not interested in the whole UK/US thing and I'm sure none of us are fond of British stoppages, no matter who benefits.

But hey, what's done is done. On to the rematch

[Mikedadon]

First off I wish I had more thumbs to give you 4 thumbs down for quoting Drake.

I wasn’t aware AJ beat the man when it mattered to definitely have a claim at being #1

Yes he’s the money man at HW , and has 3 straps because he’s the $ man , and he has fought the better competition overall , but you don’t automatically become the man hands down when you didn’t beat the man ( Klit ) when he was the man and
Without fighting the 2 other HW ( Wilder / Fury ) who can claim to be the rightful owner of the HW crown

Thats what I'm trying to to say he did beat the man whoever that was at the time which was wlad. He has been trying to get wilder in the ring and to me its been wilder being reluctant to do anything.

Tyson fury already said after the rematch he would like the joshua and maybe he has the same amount claim to the being number 1 as joshua but he decided to give that up.

Let me ask what if lennox lewis waited around and said im fighting bums until Rid**** bowe says yes to our match they both were number 1 And 2 in the division.

There was one life one love so there can only be one king.

I hope you know who that is

[BennyBlanco]

Hearn knows that the Wilder vs Fury rematch will now save 3 hours when hosted in New York. 2AM is going to be far more attractive for ratings and numbers as well as New York doing better than the West Coast with Gate sales.

Wilder vs Fury 2 should do Canelo vs Cotto numbers

Wilder vs. Fury 2 in NYC will start at the exact same time as Wilder vs. Fury 1 did in L.A.

Having a fight in NYC does NOT save 3 hours. Never has.

[kafkod]

LOL, if you think it will be that easy I have some bad news for you.

Wilder's side isn't going to just agree to have the fight on DAZN. So should Wilder now sign an official deal with SHO so he could say the fight only happens on SHO because I'm obligated to fight on that network?

Canelo made over 40M in the first GGG fight, Joshua isn't getting that for Miller.

https://www.forbes.com/athletes/#7da25cfc55ae

By all accounts, it seems like Canelo-GGG for the rematch were both paid over 40M, or close to it in regards to GGG and closer to 50M for Canelo, then Wilder-Joshua may be even more lucrative than that when you add in how much it will do in UK PPVs. If it happens in the US, I don't see it happening anywhere but SHO PPV.

By all accounts?

Mmmm .... no.

I'll just repeat what I said at the start of the convo .. I'm sure that whatever Haymon and ST would pay for an undisputed fight between AJ and Wilder, Matchroom and DAZN would pay more.

I don't think even Wilder would be dumb enough to turn down the kind of money he would be looking at here.

And I'm also sure that if Hearn is offering him 60/40 to fight AJ before rematching Fury - which he is - them beating Fury would get Wilder the 50/50 split he's been asking for.

[deathofaclown]

I'm not sure it will.

AJ isn't a star there, can his name instead of Fury's really make a leap of about 4x the buys? I don't think so.

I think Hearn is overestimating AJ's popularity outside of the UK and underrating how hard it actually is to do 1m buys in USA. Fights with fighters much bigger than Wilder v AJ in USA have struggled to crack 1m buys.

[BennyBlanco]

BUT, and its a big but, all of the AJ haters need to realise that the $50m was not guaranteed. It was also confirmed that the money was partly fronted by Frank Warren and that BT Sport would have the exclusive PPV rights in the UK.

Joshua is contracted to Matchroom and Sky Sports (a rival broadcaster) so Joshua's contract with Sky by proxy meant that the $50m wasn't worth $50m to him. I think Joshua admitted it was worth something like $25m which is under £20m, less than what he made against Povetkin.

Simple as that.

So, although the $50m dollar offer was made, it was bogus. That's just how it is. Claim $50m all you like, you'll hear what I have said, over and over.

Nice to hear from you, Eddie. Or is that Frank Smith?

The $50M was guaranteed. Eddie knows that and AJ knows that. It had nothing to do with BT Sport or Frank Warren. He had no part of the deal.

In fact, the contract that Wilder sent to AJ said the fight would be on SKY PPV in the UK - so everything you're spouting is just Hearn excuses and misinformation.

[kafkod]

Wilder vs. Fury 2 in NYC will start at the exact same time as Wilder vs. Fury 1 did in L.A.

Having a fight in NYC does NOT save 3 hours. Never has.

But the clocks in NYC are 3 hours ahead of the clocks in LA.

[BennyBlanco]

Here's my opinion on this, whatever ST and Haymon were willing to pay to get control of sceening the fight, DAZN would pay more. If Haymon said it had to be on ST or it isn't happening, it isn't happening.

I think Hearn is talking hypothetically about PPVs in order to illustrate how big the fight would be.

Canelo's DAZN purses are matching his highest PPVs, which are also around a million buys mark. If DAZN would do that for Canelo, they would do it for an undisputed HW title fight.

So why didn't DAZN match Showtime/Haymon's $50M offer????