Comments Thread For: Barry Hearn: Wilder is Not Very Good, Easiest Fight For Joshua

[Jax teller]

Joshua doesn't move his head off the line consistently enough, and his sheer musculature will always leave him needing to catch that wind in the middle of the fight to give his conditioning a chance to take over

If you honestly think that Wilder won't be able to land on Joshua, you're a fool.

You think AJ won't be able to land on Wilder then because that' the only way this argument you keep making makes any sense, especially since AJ has shown pattern of getting to work quicker than Wilder with the likes of Molina and Gavern.

Stamina is a non-issue or atleast not as big as you are wishing, Wilder isn't a pressure fighter and couldn't even push Fury to his limits after the damage that must have been caused from his hiatus with Wilder gassing himself and AJ looked fine (regarding stamina) going the distance against Parker.

[_Rexy_]

Am not going to go over money again, but the evidence cannot be disputed. They all wanted more money than they have ever made. I have never heard anything to do with VADA and negotiating between Joshua and Wilder.

Why would anyone be oppose to drug testing? Trying to say it’s a red flag is reaching on your part. Joshua gets tested just like everyone else. He was an Olympian so I don’t see any issues with Whyte wanting a longer camp and VADA drug testing, those are his demands. If Joshua isn’t the boogeyman people wouldn’t be demanding more split or a certain testing agency.

If you trying to insinuate that he might be on drugs who knows, the same can be said of Fury, Wilder and Whyte.

If Whyte is being offered more than he was against Chisora, then he’s being offered below his value.

And probably because some agencies don test as much, or for certain things. We just saw BJS get stripped of his title the first time he was signed up for VADA because the agency testing him before allowed the banned substance up until fight night.

[_Rexy_]

You think AJ won't be able to land on Wilder then because that' the only way this argument you keep making makes any sense, especially since AJ has shown pattern of getting to work quicker than Wilder with the likes of Molina and Gavern.

Stamina is a non-issue or atleast not as big as you are wishing, Wilder isn't a pressure fighter and couldn't even push Fury to his limits after the damage that must have been caused from his hiatus with Wilder gassing himself and AJ looked fine (regarding stamina) going the distance against Parker.

AJ gassed in both the Parker fight and the Takam fight though.

[Jax teller]

AJ gassed in both the Parker fight and the Takam fight though.

Takam was AJ's career heaviest and got his nose messed up with a headbutt at the begining of the fight. He dropped 12lbs for the Parker fight because he knew it was an issue.

Didn't gas in the Parker fight, I've watched it a couple times to see how much of a stinker I remember it was when I watched it out and unless my memory fails me it was a no thrills fight either way, no problems but no real successes.

[_Rexy_]

Takam was AJ's career heaviest and got his nose messed up with a headbutt at the begining of the fight. He dropped 12lbs for the Parker fight because he knew it was an issue.

Didn't gas in the Parker fight, I've watched it a couple times to see how much of a stinker I remember it was when I watched it out and unless my memory fails me it was a no thrills fight either way, no problems but no real successes.

Yeah, the Parker fight was garbage boring, so id rather take your word for it than watch it again.

[Ray*]

If Whyte is being offered more than he was against Chisora, then he’s being offered below his value.

And probably because some agencies don test as much, or for certain things. We just saw BJS get stripped of his title the first time he was signed up for VADA because the agency testing him before allowed the banned substance up until fight night.

Yes Whyte was offered lower than what he made against Chisora (first offer), and do you know VADA does Joshua testings? Go on their website. This is part and parcel of the game. Put ideas in people’s heads. Some take the bait because they either don’t recognise the game or they obviously don’t like the fighter in question. Other just skip through the BS as part of the game.

[Ray*]

AJ gassed in both the Parker fight and the Takam fight though.

This is why am picking Miller to be Joshua, but I don’t think he would get this decision.

[_Rexy_]

This is why am picking Miller to be Joshua, but I don’t think he would get this decision.

Yeah, I think Miller is actually a worse fight stylistically than Whyte is. Could you imagine the landscape of the division in 2020 if undisputed is Wilder/Miller in NY?

(No I don’t think that’s a possibility, just saying)

[Scipio2009]

He has an excellent jab. Problem is, he hasn’t really used it since the first Stiverne fight. So even as a wilder fan, I understand when people say he hasn’t improved, he made many improvements up to his title shot, then basically plateaued.

I disagree. He beat Arreola with just a jab/lead hook when he blew his right arm out, he beat on Duhaupas with it (and showed some infighting too), he used a nice touch jab to set up Szpilka after he started to figure out that southpaw, and he even used it a bit in the Washington fight too.

Luis Ortiz being as well schooled as he was, and Wilder seemingly abandoning the jab with Fury, folks forget things

[_Rexy_]

I disagree. He beat Arreola with just a jab/lead hook when he blew his right arm out, he beat on Duhaupas with it (and showed some infighting too), he used a nice touch jab to set up Szpilka after he started to figure out that southpaw, and he even used it a bit in the Washington fight too.

Luis Ortiz being as well schooled as he was, and Wilder seemingly abandoning the jab with Fury, folks forget things

I knew he would abandon it against Ortiz due to the southpaw counter punching, I had no issue with that. But he’s definately relied on it far less, you can’t deny that. It’s more of a set up now then a good snapping jab. I expected him to use tht and go to the body more against Fury, but it is what it is. Learning experience for the rematch.