What is a dominant loss?

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  • Raggamuffin
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    #11
    Originally posted by daggum
    Is it this???

    I had Horn winning 7-5. He roughed Mannys ass up.

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    • IronDanHamza
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      #12
      Originally posted by daggum
      wow 100 percent even in bradley pac a couple crazy people had it for bradley. why couldnt there be any crazy people working floyd-pac! i was available
      1 person had it for Bradley so not a couple.

      But that's another example of a dominant loss. 99% had it for Pacquaio.

      But we know you love stats and rankings such as the on you've used in the OP.

      Good job you keep it consistent because 100% of press row is a big number so the case is closed from your end on how dominant that fight was.

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      • Madison Boxing
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        #13
        Yeah this place is ridiculous, same way people call canelo ggg 2 a career ending beatdown yet in the real world most people thought ggg won. They must put this forum as a form of treatment in the american psychiatric hospitals as a way of getting people to vent and express their lunacy in a safe place.

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        • Marchegiano
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          #14


          Boxing is subjective and whatever the judges personally exalt is transitively mirrored by the scorecards so I have never been one for crying over judges myself, but, I do not get what is meant to be so great about Pacquiao outside of the obvious; he is crazy quick and has stellar combos.

          Don't get me wrong I am not here saying Pac-Man ain't great, he is, but, I personally understand how judges score against him because there's things he does that irks me as a boxing fan.

          The number one thing that has always bothered me about Pac, purely from a points and judging perspective, is his needless bouncing around. So many times I've seen Pac-Man get his opponent into a corner or onto the ropes and fail to keep them there because he started bouncing around like Bruce Lee instead of closing in like he had been to get them there. What the **** dude? You had the guy and let him go so which one of youse got the better of the exchange? Kinda a wash isn't it? One negates the other.

          No disrespect to Pac's abilities or Bruce Lee, I assume he's doing something that has roots in traditional eastern martial arts and I don't mean to necessarily claim it's useless, but, it is not boxing and it does fly in the face of boxing theory so it's easy to see boxing hardcores not seeing it as a good thing.

          That said, I actually scored in favor of JMM, Bradley, Mayweather, and Horn. Every time I was ridiculed, but what do you do when you have one guy who is fighting more than boxing while the other is actually boxing? Y'all talk about footwork all the time, you do realize you can only do the Walcott/Ali Shuffle and score points if you're schooling your opponent while doing it. If it's competitive and you do that sort of **** all you are doing is giving the judges a reason to score it for the other guy.

          Again, I don't dislike Pac nor think he is a bad fighter but that is exactly what I'd call him; a fighter. Look at my avatar and sig, I am more a fan of fighters than boxers myself. More often than not they are who brings the power and excitement, but, you can't score for them no matter how badass they are unless they're winning the boxing match as well.

          Posture, position, punch structure, accuracy, powerline, baits, fients, footwork etc. points go to the man who best adheres to boxing theory. If points were awarded to the man who hurt the other man most, or who landed most, we'd have an entirely different sport.

          If it's a close fight, if you're getting punched in your ****in' head all goddamn night, do not do anything like an Ali Shuffle and get hit for it or let your man escape. I feel I have no choice but to favor the boxer of the two....and not to beat a dead horse but I want to be clear I don't mean to say anytime a boxer bounces it's bad, there are acceptable forms of bouncing around. bouncing in and out of jab position is good for a trigger step, but, that is boxing. Pac is not doing that all the time. Sometimes he's doing footwork unfamiliar to me that looks more akin to kung fu films to me.

          JMM outboxed Pac and had to KO him to get a W. Bradley outboxed Pac twice if you ask me and was robbed by sourpants who can't accept Pac-Man is not that great a boxer. Mayweather was one sided, I couldn't believe folks were saying Pac won that. Horn knocked him about the ring, I still reckon Jeff won the match.

          To me Pac-Man has more to do with my guys, Rocky and George, Wilder today, hard hitters for the most part but if that's all you paid attention to then you missed the point. They are the men who did not have to adhere or fully adhere to boxing theory to be successful in the sport. If Pac wants Ws in boxing he need to box better than the other guy or knock the other guy out. There is only so far flash can take you.

          If you reckon I'm wrong that's plenty fair. I only shared because I thought it was funny y'all're already calling folks who reckon Bradley won Looney Tunes, I thought you'd get a kick out of it. I've long accepted public opinion, I am wrong and Pac won all those fights, I don't know **** about boxing, so forth. That's fine, but I still reckon Pac's not as good at boxing as folks claim and he's more akin to brawlers than most perceive because even though he is slick like a boxer it isn't boxing he is performing.

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          • lparm
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            #15
            Originally posted by daggum
            well yes calzaghe landed 2000 punches or something so thats indisputable
            It took Hop 6 years until he was 49 to suffer a beating that bad again

            Joe battered him

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            • -PBP-
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              #16
              Manny won but there was nothing dominating about it. I don’t want to see it again though I already know who the better fighter is.

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              • Bullrider
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                #17
                If Pac picks Horn for his next fight, the same people who are clamouring for it will scream bloody hell, "It's a cherrypick fight, he already beat him!!"

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                • redmish
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Madison boxing
                  Yeah this place is ridiculous, same way people call canelo ggg 2 a career ending beatdown yet in the real world most people thought ggg won. They must put this forum as a form of treatment in the american psychiatric hospitals as a way of getting people to vent and express their lunacy in a safe place.
                  Exactly. The rematch doesn't get the credit it deserved either. I thought it was a brilliant fight that GGG edged.

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                  • Mighty_Windir
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                    #19
                    What a bully

                    Green K my man

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                    • rickJen
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by KRAFTSMAN
                      If Pac picks Horn for his next fight, the same people who are clamouring for it will scream bloody hell, "It's a cherrypick fight, he already beat him!!"
                      Yeah, it was a cherrypick when Pac fought Horn.
                      The fake fans screamed bloody hell why.
                      Even though they knew Horn was his mandatory.
                      It's similar to GGG fighting Jacobs, fake fans were screaming,
                      "He still got Pirog and Mora problems doe."

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