Comments Thread For: Team Miller: Joshua Talks Moving Forward, But Not A Done Deal

[EnglishOxide]

If Wilder and Fury denied every lie Hearn told, there'd be no time left to train for or promote their fight. They're ignoring Hearn. Period.

Ah yes, the old 'Hearn is lying' excuse with absolutely zero facts to back it up again. One of the Wilder nuthuggers favourite excuses.

Somehow we are led to believe that Wilder or Fury tweeting 'The 40% claim is not true' is too much hard work and is interfering with their training

[thack]

The very top fighters Wilder and Fury bring the name to make a massive pot and should be paid accordingly .Never mind the 'accountants' saying it's more than he's ever earned etc. The fighters are thinking as anyone would where's the other 80-85% of what their name is helping to bring going.Joshua's time at Wembley facing average opponents as slowed considerably since Wilder and Tyson had no problem and spent little time putting together a genuine 50/50 exciting tear up.Going against my view on this I actually think Whyte should have taken his reputed £5.5m as he acting above his station and is not the PPV star Eddie keeps telling he is.The troubling fact is a part from a decent shot in the second Joshua hammered him and KO'D him .

Moving to Miller , this is ideal for the accountants to showcase Joshua .He has little to bring to the table , they will get him on the cheap , he is in house,he is a character out of the ring so will help sell it and it will take some selling as Miller will get a shot at the titles having fought absolutely nobody at world level and could fall like a pack of cards.

Make no mistake Miller v Joshua is a side show to what the fans really want to see Wilder v Fury 2 and still some muppets don't see this.

Joshua is again left waiting for the out come of a Wilder v Fury fight just as before , no different!

[Jewish-Reptile]

And still some people ignore what’s actually going on in the world. To clarify a few points:

Wilder has been offered a 40% split, a rematch in America. He has not accepted. The offer would have been his biggest payday and been for all belts, likely to include ring magazine.

Fury has been offered a 40% split, he has rejected. It would have been for four of the five belts, and likely ring magazine.

Whyte has rejected a figure in excess of $7 million (we don’t know exact number). It would have been for four of the five belts.

No-one can claim Joshua or Hearn hasn’t made good offers. The fury/wilder offer is hard to argue is a good deal for either of them, in fact even the die hard wilder fans were arguing for a 40% split when the negiotiations were back n forth.

No idea where Pulev came into the conversation for you, I haven’t seen him in any discussions about a fight this year.

Usyk in 2020 (or 2019) could be a great matchup so I wouldn’t turn your nose up at that.


Personally I’ve said all along that I want Joshua to fight Wilder, Fury, Ortiz, Whyte, Miller and Usyk at the moment - I wasn’t fussed what order.

The fact joshua does continue to fight the best/top end of the division is a testament to him. Since winning the title his weakest opposition hAs been Molina and Brezeale. Otherwise he has taken on opponents others, like Wilder, have avoided - in Klitschko, Takam, Parker and Povetkin. Compare that to others who own belts and you will find he is right up there.

Pulev is the IBF mandatory and will be due the fight by the autumn .

[Ake-Dawg]

I’ll let you just type in google because those splits to both wilder and fury; aswell as offers to Whyte (which there were multiple, not just a first offer) are widely in the press. Whyte latest offer we only known is “in excess of”.

And yes I will champion that joshua because he does fight the best and has proven is time after time. You can’t claim others like Wilder for example are anywhere near it despite being in the game much longer. Here’s a reminder:

Whyte - fought as a challenger to Whyte before he even held a belt, many others would have ducked.

Martin - accepted a deal where he was paid c.10% of the purse to have a shot at a title. Wilder had the same opportunity (to unify) but wasn’t willing to offer $ to Martin to get a fight done.

Brezeale - unbeaten at the time, c. Top20 opponent.

Molina - late replacement, arguably easiest fight since holding title but he had wobbled wilder previously.

Klitschko - arguably #1 in the world at the time.

Takam - late mandatory replacement. Top10 opponent who had been stopped only once.

Parker - unified against at the top widely recognised as #3 in the division.

Povetkin - again, widely regarded as #3, or at least top5, within the division.

Miller (if happens) - Unbeaten, most peoples Top10 and some rate at top5 in the world.


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Compare that to wilder or fury and you will see absolutely no question that Joshua has fought the best. He’s still young and has more to fight and I’m sure he will in time but five fights in a row against Top10.

If you take boxrec now, he is obviously #1 himself but then is the following (which obviously excludes klitschko due to retirement):

#4 Whyte - already beaten
#5 Povetkin - already beaten
#6 Miller - proposed fight
#8 Brezeale - already beaten
#11 Parker - already beaten


In the same Top10 (outside themselves) Fury and Wilder have beaten one fighter between them.

Ok..So you can't confirm that those offers were made. You probably read it from another poster or got it from an AJ fan social media post and just ran with it because it sounds good.

Lastly, comparing resumes and talking about rankings doesn't make Joshua king of heavyweight. It's l
who you beat and how you look beating them. The now retired Klitschko had the fight won but couldn't finish because he was 41. Parker showed that he wasn't what he was propped up to be in the Whyte fight. Povetkin success at heavyweight was PED assisted. That's no secret. Meldonium was his friend. This isn't to say Joshua is a bum, he is just not clearly better than Wilder and Fury. If both fights are 50-50, until he beats one or both convincingly, he isn't king at heavyweight.

Takam has never been a top 10 heavy...stop.

[Kezzer]

Pulev is the IBF mandatory and will be due the fight by the autumn .

He might be but very unlikely he will be fought this year?