Karmazin-Spinks vs. De La Hoya-Trinidad

**ricecrispi** · 07-09-2006, 12:42 AM

unlike DLH, I think Cory ran because he had a reason. DLH ran for no good reason ran and had plenty to give. Looked worse in light of the heoric battle he had against Qurtey.

The body shots Roman landed wore Cory down and hurt him. Spink's hands were getting lower to protect against the body shots roman were landing, expecially the left hooks to the body. 154 is too much for spinks, he doesn't handle the punches well.

I had spinks ahead by one. I can people scoring it for Roman with how he was agressive and being the champ. I don't know what Roman was think standing there putting his hands in his pockets and waiting. By the 6-7th round he should've let the hands fly but waited 8-9th round to fight.

**DLT** · 07-09-2006, 01:33 AM

I think it was different from the Oscar fight because even in the early rounds Oscar still didnt trade as much as Spinks did tonight.

Then late Oscar flat out ran but Spinks had to run or he was going to get KTFO. I also dont agree with it because I think Spinks clearly won the 11th. He landed like 8 big straight lefts in that round and everytime he did then Farhood would pull a Lampley and say that Karmazin landed the punch. In the 12th Spinks flat out ran.

I dont think the body shots got to Spinks because I didnt even see Karmazin land too many. I think it was combo of things. 1st off I think Spinks intro dancing wears him out, I also think the new weight got to him some and he just slowed down on his own. I think Karmazin constant pressure and arm length gave him problems but I also think that Spinks is just like Zab in that he wears down on his own. Karmazin caught him with some solid punches early but he didnt hit him that much. Still, Spinks just had no more spring after the 4th round and was slower the rest of the fight.

By the 9th he was getting punished but still had enough skills at time to frustrate Karmazin.

I had Spinks winning close but I wouldnt have minded a draw. A Karmazin win I thought was pushing it.

The bottom line is that Oscar didnt have to definatly run and he couldve fought more rounds. Spinks had too and he definatly wouldve been KO if it was a 15 round fight and probally wouldve been KO if it was just a 13 round fight. He was finished and he knew it

**DiegoFuego** · 07-09-2006, 01:59 AM

So basically, instead of bashing Spinks for running, we should applaud it. Like DLT says, the man knew he was beat if he messed around anymore. His trainer knew it too, cussing Spinks out throughout the championship rounds. He built up that early lead for a reason...he FADES LATE IN FIGHTS. He faded against Judah both times, against Mayorga, and now against Karmazin.

**DLT** · 07-09-2006, 02:12 AM

Originally posted by DiegoFuego

So basically, instead of bashing Spinks for running, we should applaud it. Like DLT says, the man knew he was beat if he messed around anymore. His trainer knew it too, cussing Spinks out throughout the championship rounds. He built up that early lead for a reason...he FADES LATE IN FIGHTS. He faded against Judah both times, against Mayorga, and now against Karmazin.

When I watched the last Zab fight and this fight I said to myself, "there is no way a fighter can go strong for 12 rounds after what he does coming into the ring". I thought Spinks was the only guy who could get away with it but now Im starting to think thats hurting him. That **** he does is like already having fought 3 rounds before the bell has even rung

**ricecrispi** · 07-09-2006, 02:45 AM

Originally posted by DLT

I think it was different from the Oscar fight because even in the early rounds Oscar still didnt trade as much as Spinks did tonight.

Then late Oscar flat out ran but Spinks had to run or he was going to get KTFO. I also dont agree with it because I think Spinks clearly won the 11th. He landed like 8 big straight lefts in that round and everytime he did then Farhood would pull a Lampley and say that Karmazin landed the punch.

11th round punches didn't land flush most of the time. Spinks landed short or on collar bone. More of the crowd making noise than anything.

Karmazin throws some hard body shots. He knocked Kassim down with a body shot. Around the 9th-10th round spinks starts to lower his hands because Roman landed some bodyshots. Not hard enough to knock Spinks but enough to slow him down.

I don't agree on spinks running but DLH had a choice to fight and ran. Spinks had to survive. Plus spinks is always running anyways, its his style to run arond the ring.

I don't applause it but I would let spinks slide but after DLH ran I never liked him again.

**LiLHopkins** · 07-09-2006, 02:50 AM

Diego, makes a good point, Spinks had to run because of 2 reasons

1. It was his first fight at Light Middleweight so couldn't fight as freely as he did at welterweight.

2. Karmazin is a power puncher, and Karmazin likes to get inside and punish people, so Spinks had to keep his distance.

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**maxorido** · 07-09-2006, 03:05 AM

well spinks ran because his ass was TIRED and he didn't have the energy to counter effectively. i'm glad he won, i'd like to see how he does against mosley,mayweather and a possible rematch with judah.

**PATO 1** · 07-09-2006, 05:19 AM

dont forget fighting at a new weight for the first time in 18months will take it out of you

**RAESAAD** · 07-09-2006, 05:25 AM

Originally posted by DiegoFuego

This fight reminded me so much of De La Hoya vs. Trinidad in comparing the way Spinks fought to the way De La Hoya fought. Of course this fight was much closer because Karmazin was light years more effective than Trinidad ever came close to being. Still, it was nice to Spinks get the decision he had earned even if he ran the last couple rounds.

I was impressed that Spinks wanted to fight early and was landing the more telling blows. Not only more punches as he usually does, but he landed BETTER punches than Karmazin for 6 rounds aside from round 2. He was actually standing and fighting, something I've never seen Spinks do.

Then of course he goes and blows it by running in the championship rounds. I mean he completely ran away in the 12th round on the same level De La Hoya did against Trinidad. DLH would land all sorts of punches on Trinidad early, and Tito had no answer, which is what Spinks what doing to Karmazin early tonight.

Still, unlike DLH vs. Trinidad, if Karmazin had gotten going earlier, he could have won this fight. He had Spinks in some serious trouble in that 10th round. Good fight that was better than anything I expected. I predicted Karmazin to win a decision, but after the 3rd round I told my girlfriend Spinks would win unless Karmazin caught him late. She was freaking out when Karmazin had Spinks rocked in the 10th. After the fight, I had it a draw, but I had given a round to Karmazin that Bernstein have to Spinks, so I knew when the scores were announced that Spinks had it won. No robbery tonight.

Well you are always very biased whether you admit it or not but you are mostly right this time.......My favorite hater Diego.

Karmazin-Spinks vs. De La Hoya-Trinidad