If PAC wins over 2 top WWs this year, is he FOTD again?

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  • Lopez_Boxing
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    #61
    Originally posted by BLASTER1
    Isn't it Jim Horn?
    *Jeb........

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      #62
      I always thought it was Jiff Horn.

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        #63
        Originally posted by hugh grant
        I bought the idea up Pac should get extra brownie points for beating these young prime lions, from the very fact Floyd fans boasting that ancient 35 or 36 year old Floyd beat young nelo. But the difference is Nell wasn't prime, in fact he was green and largely untested, with a cw.
        So how much credit do you want us to give floyd?
        Thurman is in prime and a pfp guy, not green and untested and drained. Spence and crawford have no win over thurman, so don't even know if they deserve to be rated higher.
        You keep saying I like pac, and I do, but why don't you admit you hate Pac with a passion? Because you know PacS greater than floyd. Admit it. Of course you don't want Pac to be fotd. Because you don't like pac. And fotd escaped Floyd twice. Floyd didn't even hang around to 2020 to have chance. It must really get to you. Pac getting fotd again would psychologically destroy you, so if course you will try to deny Pac at any cost.
        Thurman is not a p4p fighter at this moment or for the rest of 2019 given he's been out for 2 years. He wasn't ranked p4p before he was hurt so how can you just magically place him there now?

        Now you are making up ridiculous stuff to try and elevate Thurman.

        Yes I am a known pac hater. However on this I listed every fighters whose resumes surpass Manny's in this decade. You offered nothing of the sort.

        Psychologically destroy me LMFAO! You are trying too hard. Mine is an argument based on subjective criteria. Yours is based on slurpage and delusion.

        If I did argue for Floyd, which I haven't, he has both a win over Manny and he is the only boxer with 2 FOTY awards this decade. Manny has not won a FOTY award this decade and even if he beats Thurman will not have a win better than Floyd beating Manny or Canelo.

        Nor will he have a win better than Ward's over Kov, Usyk's over the entire CW division or AJ's over Wlad. The best argument you can make is he has a better win than either Loma and Crawford but their body of work destroys Manny's this decade.

        You are arguing that Manny should win FOTD when he never won a FOTY award during the decade. You have absolutely no credibility.
        Last edited by The Big Dunn; 01-31-2019, 04:35 PM.

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          #64
          To be Fotd you have to do great things consistently for 10 years if you can do, and not for 2 or 3 years. So what foty got to do with anything?
          Floyd never been Fotd so how can he be best of era let alone best of all time
          Last edited by hugh grant; 01-31-2019, 04:42 PM.

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            #65
            Originally posted by hugh grant
            To be Fotd you have to do great things consistently for 10 years if you can do, and not for 2 or 3 years. So what foty got to do with anything?
            Floyd never been Fotd so how can he be best of era let alone best of all time
            Ali was never the fighter of the decade either nor was Ezzard Charles. Both are greater than Floyd or Manny combined.

            Pacquaio IMO could be in contention though I think as an outside bet. His resume since 2010 is

            Clottey - good win against a bigger guy
            Margarito - dominant win over a washed up opponent
            Mosley - see above
            Marquez III - highly controversial "win" which the vast (huge) majority had him losing. Marquez was also touching 40 and clearly removed from his best weight.
            Bradley I - Dominant performance over an elite fighter
            Marquez IV - Brutal KO loss to his biggest rival

            (At this point he's clearly past his best and no longer great)

            Rios - dominant win over perennial punchbag
            Bradley II - repeat win this time official
            Algieri - dominant win over a mediocre fighter
            Mayweather - loss against a pound for pounder
            Bradley III - pointless rubber match, repeat win
            Vargas - solid, dominant win over an ordinary fighter
            Horn - robbery loss in a fight that was more competitive than should be (see Crawford-Horn)
            Mattheyse - blowout win over a used up opponent
            Broner - dominant win over an ordinary fighter/gatekeeper

            He's not that strong of a contender. It should also be noted he's unified exactly zero titles or had no strong title reigns in this decade. He's not upset the odds once either so there's not enough that jumps out to offset or compensate for any of this strong enough for him to win the award.

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              #66
              Originally posted by chrisJS
              Ali was never the fighter of the decade either nor was Ezzard Charles. Both are greater than Floyd or Manny combined.

              Pacquaio IMO could be in contention though I think as an outside bet. His resume since 2010 is

              Clottey - good win against a bigger guy
              Margarito - dominant win over a washed up opponent
              Mosley - see above
              Marquez III - highly controversial "win" which the vast (huge) majority had him losing. Marquez was also touching 40 and clearly removed from his best weight.
              Bradley I - Dominant performance over an elite fighter
              Marquez IV - Brutal KO loss to his biggest rival

              (At this point he's clearly past his best and no longer great)

              Rios - dominant win over perennial punchbag
              Bradley II - repeat win this time official
              Algieri - dominant win over a mediocre fighter
              Mayweather - loss against a pound for pounder
              Bradley III - pointless rubber match, repeat win
              Vargas - solid, dominant win over an ordinary fighter
              Horn - robbery loss in a fight that was more competitive than should be (see Crawford-Horn)
              Mattheyse - blowout win over a used up opponent
              Broner - dominant win over an ordinary fighter/gatekeeper

              He's not that strong of a contender. It should also be noted he's unified exactly zero titles or had no strong title reigns in this decade. He's not upset the odds once either so there's not enough that jumps out to offset or compensate for any of this strong enough for him to win the award.
              The ring has named Ali FOTD in the 60's.

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                #67
                Originally posted by SplitSecond
                The ring has named Ali FOTD in the 60's.
                They named Eder Jofre fighter of the decade for the 60's.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by chrisJS
                  They named Eder Jofre fighter of the decade for the 60's.
                  Link?
                  Here's what I get: https://www.ring tv.com/121043-10-gr...ers-by-decade/

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                  • chrisJS
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by SplitSecond
                    The 90th anniversary edition in 2011 had their fighter of the decade. They had the top 10's of each decade. That link I think is Rosenthal's list. The magazine edition also had Greb as the fighter of the 1920's not Leonard.
                    Last edited by chrisJS; 01-31-2019, 06:28 PM.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by chrisJS
                      The 90th anniversary edition in 2011 had their fighter of the decade. They had the top 10's of each decade. That link I think is Rosenthal's list. The magazine edition also had Greb as the fighter of the 1920's not Leonard.
                      Anyway. Ali is on plenty of lists for 60's. Obviously it's not official, the award I think was only made in the 90's (correct me if im wrong).

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