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  • Originally posted by Shape up View Post
    If your a world champ, your trainers were butchers, there has been plenty of press about contamination and you obviously know about this issue, do you eat meat in mexico or do you use that as the excuse when youre caught, pretty obvious the gravy train needs to keep going
    Nope. VADA has no say in regulation. It’s up to the commissions. And again, VADA exonerated Francisco Vargas which is a breach with conflicts of interest. Why didn’t Goodman defend Canelo if she did for Vargas, Vargas had double of Canelo.

    Commissions in Mexico don’t check for Clenbuterol. Don’t be naive. Do you know how many fighters in Mexico can not afford VADA nor would the WBC even impose that in Mexico. Lol

    This is common sense. Suleiman knew what he did to Canelo.

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    • Originally posted by Frankie2Jabs View Post
      You keep leaving out Francisco Vargas. In a court of law, a defense easily wins with a jury asking the same thing, why did the WBC and VADA CEO give a pass to Vargas.

      Why would Andre Ward need to publicly say that he paid more than 10k+ For his fights to assure his supplements were cleared?

      All boxers use supplements. All supplements are contaminated. That’s why WADA doesn’t green light supplement use, it’s on your own risk.

      Canelo is now 365. He can be tested any time. His rematch with GGG looked even better than before. PEDS don’t boost ring IQ.

      Boxers who aren’t 365 could easily be seen as cheats because advanced testing starts when fighters agree, or if there’s even testing. Commissions all have their post screen tests anyways.

      The reason why it was a big deal was because the WBC and VADA exploited the exposure from Canelo.
      Ok I get what your saying and if Canelo stays on 365 VADA testing then I'm all good with him.
      Canelo is a great fighter who regularly takes on the best.
      You can't ask more from a man especially now that he's enrolled.

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      • Originally posted by BLASTER1 View Post
        Ok I get what your saying and if Canelo stays on 365 VADA testing then I'm all good with him.
        Canelo is a great fighter who regularly takes on the best.
        You can't ask more from a man especially now that he's enrolled.
        My honest perspective is that all athletes use stuff, even Olympians. Olympians are supposedly by default 365. But even that is all political since dates can easily be controlled, all underground dirty stuff where Govt. Rivals around the globe want to win.

        The reality is that boxers get advanced testing that’s not disclosed with different name aliases to assure they’re cleared before advanced testing starts. They can afford it.

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        • Originally posted by Frankie2Jabs View Post
          My honest perspective is that all athletes use stuff, even Olympians. Olympians are supposedly by default 365. But even that is all political since dates can easily be controlled, all underground dirty stuff where Govt. Rivals around the globe want to win.

          The reality is that boxers get advanced testing that’s not disclosed with different name aliases to assure they’re cleared before advanced testing starts. They can afford it.
          Right most world class boxers.
          I would have to disagree with saying GGG was or ever has used anything his entire career.
          I could be wrong though.
          Who knows??

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          • Originally posted by BLASTER1 View Post
            Right most world class boxers.
            I would have to disagree with saying GGG was or ever has used anything his entire career.
            I could be wrong though.
            Who knows??
            Well Abel Sanchez was on record saying that advanced testing wasn’t needed if the other fighter didn’t want it.

            Logic tells you that GGG was always A side. Which B side rival would dare a paycheck against GGG with the opportunity to fight on HBO? In other words you didn’t have a say with advanced drug testing if you were to fight GGG in years prior or C level guys in general.

            GGG’s body at 160 wasn’t always the same. He was sweating profusely in the last couple of years in the weeks leading up to his fights. That means they were drained routinely during the pressers. The body can only take so much... GGG comes from a region highly notorious for use in the past.

            Abe Sanchez’s blue Chip Ryan Martin popped dirty. Carlos Cuadras under Abel Sanchez refused VADA testing and was suspended.

            Do you honestly think that GGG on the off season wasn’t ever given stuff? Surely supplements of course. Supplements aren’t banned, but if they are contaminated then the fighter is held accountable. “Strict Liability.”

            When you have trace amounts from supplement contamination of course opposing promoters will exploit the opportunity even if they know contamination.

            This is why any boxer who is 365 gets mad respect.

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            • Originally posted by Frankie2Jabs View Post
              Nope. VADA has no say in regulation. It’s up to the commissions. And again, VADA exonerated Francisco Vargas which is a breach with conflicts of interest. Why didn’t Goodman defend Canelo if she did for Vargas, Vargas had double of Canelo.

              Commissions in Mexico don’t check for Clenbuterol. Don’t be naive. Do you know how many fighters in Mexico can not afford VADA nor would the WBC even impose that in Mexico. Lol

              This is common sense. Suleiman knew what he did to Canelo.
              How much money does canelo bring to vegas in a weekend when he is fighting, who runs the commission,, all comes back to money, the sanctioning body doesnt penalise them, the commission does,, NSAC has a mandatory penalty of 12 months suspension for any amount of clen in your body, it can be halved if you cooperate with the commission, thats why canelo was suspended because they couldnt bypass the mandatory penalty, has nothing to do with the WBC or VADA.. The commission is run by the state government, they miss out on taxes if canelo doesnt fight, pretty simple really, same with floyds iv, NSAC first went mad saying it should never of been allowed, they should have been notified, etc etc, the next statement was floyd did nothing wrong, a 180 degree turn because the powers that were above the commission reminded them who was in charge
              Last edited by Shape up; 01-28-2019, 10:33 PM.

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              • Originally posted by Shape up View Post
                How much money does canelo bring to vegas in a weekend when he is fighting, who runs the commission,, all comes back to money, the sanctioning body doesnt penalise them, the commission does,, NSAC has a mandatory penalty of 12 months suspension for any amount of clen in your body, it can be halved if you cooperate with the commission, thats why canelo was suspended because they couldnt bypass the mandatory penalty, has nothing to do with the WBC or VADA.. The commission is run by the state government, they miss out on taxes if canelo doesnt fight, pretty simple really, same with floyds iv, NSAC first went mad saying it should never of been allowed, they should have been notified, etc etc, the next statement was floyd did nothing wrong, a 180 degree turn because the powers that were above the commission reminded them who was in charge
                Andy Foster could’ve made headlines to host GGG vs Canelo since he waived Francisco Vargas. Again, you need to realize the powers that be were the WBC and VADA. Margaret Goodman never made a statement regarding Canelo. Why? Because she was in on the plan to help their affiliate partners in crime, the WBC! WBC CBP is a VADA run workflow. The WBC wouldn’t have the logistical knowledge to even make a program.

                She could’ve told the NSAC that Vargas had double of Canelo and they fought in California....

                All politics

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                • Originally posted by Shape up View Post
                  Bob bennett took that on the advise from WADA lab scientists, EXPERTS, conte does have a dog in the fight, its called money, he is a convicted criminal, who should we believe fanboy
                  so oscar bought conte, and heredia, etc..
                  yeah, nevermind...
                  Last edited by icha; 01-28-2019, 11:03 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by Frankie2Jabs View Post
                    Andy Foster could’ve made headlines to host GGG vs Canelo since he waived Francisco Vargas. Again, you need to realize the powers that be were the WBC and VADA. Margaret Goodman never made a statement regarding Canelo. Why? Because she was in on the plan to help their affiliate partners in crime, the WBC! WBC CBP is a VADA run workflow. The WBC wouldn’t have the logistical knowledge to even make a program.

                    She could’ve told the NSAC that Vargas had double of Canelo and they fought in California....

                    All politics
                    You've had too many jabs to the head, it's a MANDATORY SUSPENSION UNDER NSAC

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                    • It wasn't "small" amounts if other sports with testing programs league's better than boxing are suspending people for MUCH less amounts found in their system.

                      During the case where like over 100 under 18 soccer players tested positive for clenbuterol lets just say Canelo would have been on the high end of the scale out of all of those guys that failed.

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