Comments Thread For: Usyk's 12-Month Plan To Ruling The Heavyweight Division

[angkag]

He needs to follow the Holyfield blueprint. Fight about 5-6 contenders before taking a shot at the title. Needs to get accustomed to the weight and the strength and power of the fighters.

Needs to come in at whatever he enters the ring at for cruiser. Can't pack on too much weight. He needs to do alot of strength building which may put on a little weight but he needs to stay limber and explosive.

210, 215 tops

Problem there is that Holyfield went to Heavyweight at age 26, and if you use the rule of thumb 'heavyweights peak at 33', he had 7 years to get there.

Usyk at 32 doesn't have much time left so he's got to push the envelope - I'm not sure he can make it, even with his skills. But for sure, just piling on the pounds won't work, he needs to just forget about weight and target where he feels most effective, which likely 210-215 range as you say.

[Robertthebruce]

Wilders has ducked:

klitschko (I’m not ready yet),

Whyte (I’m not taking my biggest ever purse, go get mandatory then I’ll make you wait two years) and

Parker (I’m not risking unifying against someone I don’t know how good he is “yet”)


I’ve not included Povetkin, I know some consider he ducked him after he proved +ve.

I'm sure he asked Shyte to fight Ortiz with him fighting the winner? Beetlejuice clearly ducked Ortiz.

Parker would get destroyed even his manager said they prefer Joshua as less risk and more money so they unified with Joshua instead.

Klitchko was just an old man who had been beat by Fury and had no belts.

[Boxing Trufe]

Usyk can step right in at Heavyweight and dominate. He would have issues vs AJ & Fury size and skill, but he would beat Wilder easily right now with not one tune up. Straight up truth.

[Boxing Trufe]

Problem there is that Holyfield went to Heavyweight at age 26, and if you use the rule of thumb 'heavyweights peak at 33', he had 7 years to get there.

Usyk at 32 doesn't have much time left so he's got to push the envelope - I'm not sure he can make it, even with his skills. But for sure, just piling on the pounds won't work, he needs to just forget about weight and target where he feels most effective, which likely 210-215 range as you say.

Usyk is naturally about 25lbs heavier than Evander and about an inch or two taller. Holyfield used steroids to bulk up to 210, whereas Usyk walks around 215-225.

[Azzie]

I can see casuals polluting this thread, let me school you all.

Usyk has the same reach as Ortiz, Miller and Whyte.

[BlackSoul]

I think out of the top 3, his best chance stylistically is against Wilder - I just can't see him lasting 12 rounds though, no matter how many times I look at it.

I can see him outboxing Wilder then getting caught and KOd.
With AJ I think he just walks through Usyk, too big and strong and has good enough fundamentals.
Fury would just not get touched, it'd be embarrassing. The reach advantage and ring IQ is too much.

Usyk is going to have a big fall, because people built him up to be something he isn't. I didn't and still don't see a problem with him just reigning at CW and taking some good matchups at HW for the coin.

He's at that age though where he HAS to move up. The best time for him to go to HW is now, while he is still in his prime, and at least even if he gets KOd by AJ he gets a big money fight (not to mention any fights he takes inbetween before AJ is gonna bring in lots of money for him compared to CW)

thats how ALL heavyweights do to wilder UNTIL he lands FLUSH then the entire scope of the fight changes INSTANTLY he has power ALL the way deep into the LAST ROUND. so you have to fight a perfect fight against him even tho "technically" he does thangs wrong in order to land or switch from offense to defense he is THE MOST DANGEROUS of all bc he's abnormally unorthodox, though aj is a better technical boxer than wilder his style more suits usyk bc of aj not being "fluid" in his movement and being "robotic" and the ******nite to the "robotic" style is either a unorthodox boxer puncher slick style which is what usyk copied to come up in the ranks in that eastern euro dominated style over there
fury is just ALL WRONG for usyk i think fury would KO usyk
he too big too nimble and has EVERY advantage over usyk might even be slightly quicker to the trigger than usyk
well i agree but well like you said he's like 31 or somethin like that the HW division is the WRONG DIVISION TO TRY TO RUSH THROUGH this is NOT the lighter weights
he was getting hit flush by c+ b- tony bellew there is NO WAY HE CAN TAKE THOSE SHOTS FROM LEGIT HEAVYWEIGHTS.
the ironic thang is that Wilder is the closest one in size to him as far as weight(he came in at 209 in the first fury fight) but ironically he is the BIGGEST PUNCHER BY FAR in the division.
so theyre def gonna steer him away from those top 3 and esp wilder

['b']

thats how ALL heavyweights do to wilder UNTIL he lands FLUSH then the entire scope of the fight changes INSTANTLY he has power ALL the way deep into the LAST ROUND. so you have to fight a perfect fight against him even tho "technically" he does thangs wrong in order to land or switch from offense to defense he is THE MOST DANGEROUS of all bc he's abnormally unorthodox, though aj is a better technical boxer than wilder his style more suits usyk bc of aj not being "fluid" in his movement and being "robotic" and the ******nite to the "robotic" style is either a unorthodox boxer puncher slick style which is what usyk copied to come up in the ranks in that eastern euro dominated style over there
fury is just ALL WRONG for usyk i think fury would KO usyk
he too big too nimble and has EVERY advantage over usyk might even be slightly quicker to the trigger than usyk
well i agree but well like you said he's like 31 or somethin like that the HW division is the WRONG DIVISION TO TRY TO RUSH THROUGH this is NOT the lighter weights
he was getting hit flush by c+ b- tony bellew there is NO WAY HE CAN TAKE THOSE SHOTS FROM LEGIT HEAVYWEIGHTS.
the ironic thang is that Wilder is the closest one in size to him as far as weight(he came in at 209 in the first fury fight) but ironically he is the BIGGEST PUNCHER BY FAR in the division.
so theyre def gonna steer him away from those top 3 and esp wilder

There's a lot more to boxing than what meets the eyes. Wilder just seems to always land that bomb eventually, he doesn't just get lucky, something is ticking over in that head of his.

He is 'unskilled' but unorthodox. I like sparring Orthodox people, at least you can understand what they are doing and predict what they are going to do next. The unorthodox guys (especially if they are athletic and powerful) can be very dangerous. Always have to be ready for anything.