SRL vs Hagler: "No holding Ray"

[D4thincarnation]

I agree. Hagler got robbed. Leonard was the media darling and he was the one they wanted to win and Steele helped Leonard.

He never stopped saying "No holding Ray" but never did anything about it.

[BattlingNelson]

Just watching this classic fight, and I am amazed how many times Richard Steele tells SRL to stop holding, yet SRL continues to do it every round , every time Hagler gets on the inside. yet Steele does very little about it.


Hagler got robbed

Robbed? What's a robbery? Surely not a 115-113 fight.

This leads me to ask what rounds you had Hagler winning since you call it a robbery?

[The Big Dunn]

It’s not the travesty of a decision Hagler has made it but it doesn’t feel right still IMO. I think this is the case of a guy “winning the event” which shouldn’t translate as winning the fight.

Leonard-Hearns II was a worse decision though.

The draw was comical. No way Tommy lost that fight. SRL is unquestionably an ATG and best of his era but you wonder what happens if the Hagler fight and the Hearns rematch are a little sooner and the Duran rematch wasn't so quick.

[UNBIASED BOXING]

The draw was comical. No way Tommy lost that fight. SRL is unquestionably an ATG and best of his era but you wonder what happens if the Hagler fight and the Hearns rematch are a little sooner and the Duran rematch wasn't so quick.

Hell, imagine if the first Hearns fight was 12 rounds, or if that fight happened 2-3 years later.

Hearns was only about, 22? fight against a 25 year old Leonard. Think he had plenty of room to grow at the time.

[The Big Dunn]

Hell, imagine if the first Hearns fight was 12 rounds, or if that fight happened 2-3 years later.

Hearns was only about, 22? fight against a 25 year old Leonard. Think he had plenty of room to grow at the time.

Another good point. I loved the 15 round era and hated the switch to 12 rounds to appeal to TV execs. 15 rounds always separated the great from the very good.

[dannnnn]

Nothing specific to this particular fight, but holding is a big problem in boxing in my opinion. It's rarely punished and it can severely impact the way a fight plays out, far more so than other fouls (like low blows for example) which are punished.

If one guy is an outside fighter and the other guy an inside fighter and everytime the inside fighter gets inside he gets tied up and the situation is reset back to the outside, how is that fair? In-fighting is becoming a lost art because outside fighters are allowed to get away with this too often.

Look at Broner-Pacquiao. Every time Pacquiao got close and tried to rattle off some punches, Broner held him for dear life until the referee broke them up. Intentional holding is a foul. I would like to see referees get more strict about this and start giving out warnings early and taking away points if it continues, because some fighters use it specifically as part of their gameplan from the first bell.

Look at Khan-Collazo, every time Collazo got close Khan would hold and push his head down. That was terrible refereeing in my opinion.

[chrisJS]

The draw was comical. No way Tommy lost that fight. SRL is unquestionably an ATG and best of his era but you wonder what happens if the Hagler fight and the Hearns rematch are a little sooner and the Duran rematch wasn't so quick.

I think these guys are great enough to beat each other perhaps with the obvious style mismatch of Hearns-Duran. Hagler’s getting older is compensated with Leonard’s ring rust. In 82 or 83 Hagler definitely boxes more behind his jab and had sharper reflexes and faster feet. I don’t know if Leonard is able to keep that tactic up for the 15 rounds that it would have been.

Leonard-Hearns is a weird one. Hearns has the style and tools to always be better than Leonard in head to head action until getting stopped but also Leonard always has that toughness, stamina, instinct to get through it and hurt Hearns. I would guess a re-match is similar to fight I. I think if fight II was 15 Leonard would have KO’d him since Hearns legs had gone in the 12th.

All theory I guess. I think Leonard probably still beats Duran but it’s close enough to warrant a rubber match.

[DuckAdonis]

You CLENelo fans are more dilusional than Broner!

Ur boi has highly controversial wins with Lara and Trout (LOL!)
Was thoroughly dominated by an older Floyd
And had 2 razor close controversial wins against a 35 year old GGG and failed a drug test
BUT WOULD SMOKE LEONARD AND HAGLER????

troll or a casual, either way stop posting.

Canelo doesn't have 2 wins over Golovkin...he has a gift draw and a gift win