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  • MrSmith
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    Facts, not excuses for PAC, MAB, JMM, & EM

    This thread is in response to that tired excuse that MAB and EM were past their primes when they faced PAC.

    Here are some facts for all 3 fighters(well it's only PAC on this list I'd consider a fighter, but that's another argument for another topic)

    If you take take a look at all 3 fighters records starting in the year 2003 and ending w/ each fighters last bout...

    PAC

    5 - 1 - 1

    * Notable wins: TKOS over MAB and EM


    MAB

    5 - 1

    * Notable wins: MD over EM and SD over Juarez

    - MAB is on a 5 fight win - streak, since his
    lost to PAC


    EM

    4 - 3

    * Notable wins: UD over PAC, UD over J. Chavez,
    and UD over F. Hernandez


    My question is, howcome EM's defeats against Zahir and his last fight against MAB, no one was using the excuse of EM being past his prime? Another thing I'd like to point out, is when EM lost to MAB, he came right back by convincingly beating PAC. It's only PAC's victory, that the excuse of "being past it" is used for EM.

    The excuse of " Past his prime" should already been thought of prior to the upcoming fight, afterall those wars took place prior to the current fight.

    For example: The notion of EM being "past it" prior to
    facing Zahir didn't even enter my head in
    why I chose Zahir over EM.
    I thought Raheem's sheer athletic ability,
    was what was gonna carry him to victory.
    I would've picked Raheem over EM in any
    stage of EM's career.

    MAB always gave EM problems.

    PAC attacked EM's biggest weakness he has
    had throughout his career... Erika has
    never shown he can stomach an all out
    assault on his kidneys and liver.

    Folks those are the real reasons why EM
    LOST not because of being past it against
    PAC.

    As far as MAB being past his prime, well
    his record(it speaks for itself)staring
    in '03
    is just as good as a "peaking" PAC.

    As to why PAC dropped the 1st fight against
    EM....

    I think it had to do more w/ PAC being
    overconfident, not really having a gameplan
    (of course no one to blame but PAC himself)
    PAC made EM look better than he actually
    is.

    The rematch, w/ a solid gameplan... ATTACK
    THE BODY, setting the left up w/ a jab.
    EM ****ted his pants, that's why he didn't
    wanna get up in the 10th, afraid the world
    was gonna see the mudslide running down his
    blood-soaked white trunks and down his
    legs(lol).
    Last edited by MrSmith; 07-08-2006, 10:22 AM.
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    morales was def past his prime, barrera,thats debatable

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    • MrSmith
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      #3
      Originally posted by shortright
      morales was def past his prime, barrera,thats debatable
      How are you gonna say that EM losing to Barrera isn't due to EM being past his prime, yet use it to diminish PAC's ring prowess over EM? All these wars that EM has been involved in were prior to his big "EASY" wins against Jesus Chavez, Famoso Hernandez, and Manny Pacquaio.
      Last edited by MrSmith; 07-08-2006, 10:13 AM.

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        #4
        Originally posted by shortright
        morales was def past his prime, barrera,thats debatable
        How is it debatable? And his lost to Zahir, what is your explanation for that?
        Last edited by MrSmith; 07-08-2006, 10:19 AM.

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          #5
          If y'all wanna see fighters who are past their primes... See Ali, Holyfield, JC Chavez, Hector Camacho Sr., and Mike Tyson.

          Not EM and MAB. How can fighters be past their prime, when their records are above .500 in their last 5 - 6 bouts AGAINST TOP COMP.

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          • shortright
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            im not trying to dimish what pac has done, but its pretty obvious morales isnt in his prime, he can barley keep his balance, watch barrera morales 1 then watch pac morales and you will see, the man is way past his prime, teddy atlas was basicly begging morales to retire

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              #7
              Originally posted by shortright
              im not trying to dimish what pac has done, but its pretty obvious morales isnt in his prime, he can barley keep his balance, watch barrera morales 1 then watch pac morales and you will see, the man is way past his prime, teddy atlas was basicly begging morales to retire
              Have you seen all the other beatings that PAC has given to other fighters? I'm talkin' all the way back, before he even fought in the U.S. ... It's no different than the beating he gave Erik and MAB. PAC is just one BRUTAL FIGHTER. THAT IS HIS STYLE.

              ZAHIR whooped EM's @ss just as good, it just wasn't as gruesome, it more has to do w/ PAC's way of brutalizing an opponent more than anything else. PAC makes his opponents look bad, physically. Compared to Zahir who was running circles around him and potshottin' him(pretty much what he does in all his fights).

              PAC IS A VIOLENT PUNCHER!

              When PAC kicks the crap out of someone, you see snot, blood, fly out everywhere. Face and head dented.

              ZAHIR IS A "FINESSE" FIGHTER

              When Zahir kicks the crap out of someone.. We say, "Oh that was a neat boxing lesson"
              Last edited by MrSmith; 07-08-2006, 10:40 AM.

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              • TyrantT316
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                #8
                who cares?

                Morales showed that he is capable of beating Pacman
                Pacman showed that he is capable of beating Morales
                Pacman showed that he is capable of beating Barrera
                Barrera showed that he is capable of beating Morales
                Morales showed that he is capable of beating Barrera

                regardless of what time or prime of their respective careers...they have all shown they are capable of beating each other with an exception for Barrera beating Pac...

                each victory these guys had over each other is a GREAT victory...

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                • MrSmith
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by TyrantT316
                  who cares?

                  Morales showed that he is capable of beating Pacman
                  Pacman showed that he is capable of beating Morales
                  Pacman showed that he is capable of beating Barrera
                  Barrera showed that he is capable of beating Morales
                  Morales showed that he is capable of beating Barrera

                  regardless of what time or prime of their respective careers...they have all shown they are capable of beating each other with an exception for Barrera beating Pac...

                  each victory these guys had over each other is a GREAT victory...
                  Tyrant, you are one of the few, I'd call a "sensible" poster.

                  Hey if the series is tied up then it's tied up. I'll see all y'all w/ my DOM P waiting for me at my suite in Vegas come
                  Nov. '06

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                  • {BrownBomber}
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                    Morales fought his last good fight againts Barrera.His fight with Zahir was still a wtf happened to him and the 2nd fight with Pac solidified that he is past his prime. One more thing Larios jumped 2 weight divisions and he hung in there with Pac for 12 rounds.Pac landed so many more power shots on Larios than he did in both Morales fights.


                    This happens in boxing all the time. When Barrera and Morales came in they also beat up on some great fighters past their prime.Only once in a while you get a prime vs prime fight in boxing.
                    Example Delahoya vs Tito which turned to be a big disapointment.

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