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I've been on record saying Lopez next year beats Lomachenko if they fight but not sure how TR will play this situation out. That's what I'm interested in seeing unfold.

Oh are you the one saying that lol? I forgot who it was, but I'm guessing we went back n forth on that previously then.

Bold prediction. It seems like a huge ask of Teofimo to me. But it'd be a huge accomplishment for him just to be competitive with him let alone beat him I feel like. And I think Loma is still too damn good. Massive respect to you if that comes to pass doe.

And from the business/promotion side of this I do find it unlikely Bob puts Teofimo in so deep anytime soon. Hell even if Teofimo CAN beat Loma would Bob wanna lower Lomo's value vs just having Loma & Teofimo run 135 & 140 & maybe meeting up a few years down the line when its marinated into a bigger fight? Generally it doesn't seem like TR matchs up their biggest talents too early so I tend to doubt Bob would even make Loma vs Lopez in the next year or hell maybe three+.

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Oh are you the one saying that lol? I forgot who it was, but I'm guessing we went back n forth on that previously then.

Bold prediction. It seems like a huge ask of Teofimo to me. But it'd be a huge accomplishment for him just to be competitive with him let alone beat him I feel like. And I think Loma is still too damn good. Massive respect to you if that comes to pass doe.

And from the business/promotion side of this I do find it unlikely Bob puts Teofimo in so deep anytime soon. Hell even if Teofimo CAN beat Loma would Bob wanna lower Lomo's value vs just having Loma & Teofimo run 135 & 140 & maybe meeting up a few years down the line when its marinated into a bigger fight? Generally it doesn't seem like TR matchs up their biggest talents too early so I tend to doubt Bob would even make Loma vs Lopez in the next year or hell maybe three+.

I don't think we had any back and forth but I could be wrong.

I'm just a believer in Teofimo and he is just so damn big and strong for the LW division. Lomachenko is having some struggles against guys like Pedraza and Linares as it is clear 135 is his absolute peak division. Props to him for ending both fights strong, but those are two good fighters, but nothing special. Linares is a guy who even if you exclude the early KO losses, struggled big time vs Mitchell and Campbell, and even had some struggles in the first Crolla fight. Pedraza got WASHED by Davis and was fortunate to beat Cherry if we are being honest. So this isn't a case of Lomachenko being troubled in spots against top level fighters, though you can argue Linares deserves that recognition (I'd disagree but won't argue if you think he is.

Basically, I think Teofimo is a bit special and will eventually end up at WW in four or so years. He has very good skills and his balance is awesome. Dude will only continue to get better but even at the age of 21, he has his man strength. Legit strong fighter who I see overwhelming Lomachenko in the 2nd half of the fight. The part of the fight where Lomachenko usually separates from the competition will be the time Teofimo does it to him.

This is why it fascinates me so much to see how Arum handles this. Lomachenko is his currently his biggest or second biggest star behind Crawford. If Teofimo is able to beat him and beat him in style, no doubt Lomachenko's stock will take a hit and he won't be putting up the viewership numbers that he does. But at the same time he will have made Teofimo a star and he is much younger who will have years at the top. I don't see TR putting Teofimo with Lomachenko any time soon, but I bet we see Teofimo vs Pedraza later this year and Teofimo is going to give him a beating. That will make a lot of folks call for the Lomachenko showdown. So what happens early 2020??? That's the question.

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I don't think we had any back and forth but I could be wrong.

Maybe there is another guy here saying the same as you idk. Or maybe "back n forth" sounded like I was implying we were having some big argument or debate about it when I don't recall it being anything like that.

I'm just a believer in Teofimo and he is just so damn big and strong for the LW division. Lomachenko is having some struggles against guys like Pedraza and Linares as it is clear 135 is his absolute peak division. Props to him for ending both fights strong, but those are two good fighters, but nothing special. Linares is a guy who even if you exclude the early KO losses, struggled big time vs Mitchell and Campbell, and even had some struggles in the first Crolla fight. Pedraza got WASHED by Davis and was fortunate to beat Cherry if we are being honest. So this isn't a case of Lomachenko being troubled in spots against top level fighters, though you can argue Linares deserves that recognition (I'd disagree but won't argue if you think he is.

Basically, I think Teofimo is a bit special and will eventually end up at WW in four or so years. He has very good skills and his balance is awesome. Dude will only continue to get better but even at the age of 21, he has his man strength. Legit strong fighter who I see overwhelming Lomachenko in the 2nd half of the fight. The part of the fight where Lomachenko usually separates from the competition will be the time Teofimo does it to him.

This is why it fascinates me so much to see how Arum handles this. Lomachenko is his currently his biggest or second biggest star behind Crawford. If Teofimo is able to beat him and beat him in style, no doubt Lomachenko's stock will take a hit and he won't be putting up the viewership numbers that he does. But at the same time he will have made Teofimo a star and he is much younger who will have years at the top. I don't see TR putting Teofimo with Lomachenko any time soon, but I bet we see Teofimo vs Pedraza later this year and Teofimo is going to give him a beating. That will make a lot of folks call for the Lomachenko showdown. So what happens early 2020??? That's the question.

Lets not forget who Loma is fighting & who Lopez is fighting doe. Granted if Lopez keeps looking like he's looking past the Menard's than maybe Loma should be sweating a lil lol, but til then he's still a prospect who to me has only had 1 real fight. I'm not saying he's not performing beyond exceptions at the level he's at, but he's still far away from the top.

A Pedraza impressive W would be pretty huge. Any guy he can fight who's been in with Loma or any top guy recently will be a good measuring stick fight for him right now if they legit are looking for a title shot. Those comparisons fights are usually good to get buzz going with fans & media.

As for Bob I still say he's too careful with sh^t like this. I think Bob agreeing to put Loma in a title fight in his 2nd fight took years off his life probably lol. And if Loma hadn't demanded it Bob isn't doing it. So in this situation when you got two talented guys I really really really don't see Bob matching them up too soon & if Lopez is THAT good not w/o making Lopez as big or bigger than Loma first. And idk that Loma would demand Lopez or if Lopez is a valuable enough commodity TO demand Loma.

Plus isn't Lopez's dad saying he's on borrowed time at 135 & won't be staying there long Loma fight happening or not? That might just decide things right there.

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Maybe there is another guy here saying the same as you idk. Or maybe "back n forth" sounded like I was implying we were having some big argument or debate about it when I don't recall it being anything like that.



Lets not forget who Loma is fighting & who Lopez is fighting doe. Granted if Lopez keeps looking like he's looking past the Menard's than maybe Loma should be sweating a lil lol, but til then he's still a prospect who to me has only had 1 real fight. I'm not saying he's not performing beyond exceptions at the level he's at, but he's still far away from the top.

A Pedraza impressive W would be pretty huge. Any guy he can fight who's been in with Loma or any top guy recently will be a good measuring stick fight for him right now if they legit are looking for a title shot. Those comparisons fights are usually good to get buzz going with fans & media.

As for Bob I still say he's too careful with sh^t like this. I think Bob agreeing to put Loma in a title fight in his 2nd fight took years off his life probably lol. And if Loma hadn't demanded it Bob isn't doing it. So in this situation when you got two talented guys I really really really don't see Bob matching them up too soon & if Lopez is THAT good not w/o making Lopez as big or bigger than Loma first. And idk that Loma would demand Lopez or if Lopez is a valuable enough commodity TO demand Loma.

Plus isn't Lopez's dad saying he's on borrowed time at 135 & won't be staying there long Loma fight happening or not? That might just decide things right there.

Oh, I'm not saying Lopez has fought great competition or not. I know he hasn't, but I just love his skill set, size and power at LW.

Lopez has mentioned Pedraza's name on a few occasions and so has Arum which leads me to believe THAT will be his step up fight.

Teofimo's pops did say he is going to go up to 140 next year. But if TR believes that much in him, wouldn't it make sense to get Lomachenko on his resume before he makes the jump? He's not getting a name like Lomachenko at 140.

As for Lomachenko fighting for a title in his 2nd fight? I mean let's not forget he was 25 years old while being arguably the most accomplished amateur of all time with a few WBS fights. Lomachenko was clearly ready from day one. They took on Salido who they thought was the weakest link and it didn't work out but he got great experience and won a title in his next fight. Lomachenko is a bad a^^ for sure, but if given the opportunity, Teofimo is going to stop him….

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Teofimo's pops did say he is going to go up to 140 next year. But if TR believes that much in him, wouldn't it make sense to get Lomachenko on his resume before he makes the jump? He's not getting a name like Lomachenko at 140.

That just seems like such a net equal or net negative situation doe from TR's point of view. Loma wins & Teofimo might have a bad night & screw up his trajectory. He'll have a L either way, which either of us like it or not, it lowers his ceiling in this era of sexy 0's in ones loss column. If Teofimo wins & Loma has the bad night its gonna be seen as the beginning of the end for him & all you did is switch P4P names if you're TR.

The much more intelligent move for TR is let Loma continue running 135. Let Teofimo move to 140 & make his name. Then you hot Bud, Loma & Teofimo filling up your calendar with fights damn near every other month. In a couple years when Lopez is a name & maybe top 5 P4P & Loma is looking to test himself in a new weight division we make a superfight between these two talented guys everyone has been watching on the app for the last couple years. Maybe even create a rivalry & a trilogy.

I mean I'm not trying to sh^t on your parade of Loma vs Lopez in 2020, but I definitely feel like what I'm saying is a more TR approach to promotions. I mean this would be their top two guy currently facing their #1 prospect. Its a sexy matchup this year or next, but its a sexy idea for TR to happen in ~2023.

As for Lomachenko fighting for a title in his 2nd fight? I mean let's not forget he was 25 years old while being arguably the most accomplished amateur of all time with a few WBS fights. Lomachenko was clearly ready from day one. They took on Salido who they thought was the weakest link and it didn't work out but he got great experience and won a title in his next fight. Lomachenko is a bad a^^ for sure, but if given the opportunity, Teofimo is going to stop him….

Yea I'm not saying Loma wasn't ready for it. I'm saying Bob wasn't ready for it & it sounded like it took him some time & convincing to set it up.

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That just seems like such a net equal or net negative situation doe from TR's point of view. Loma wins & Teofimo might have a bad night & screw up his trajectory. He'll have a L either way, which either of us like it or not, it lowers his ceiling in this era of sexy 0's in ones loss column. If Teofimo wins & Loma has the bad night its gonna be seen as the beginning of the end for him & all you did is switch P4P names if you're TR.

The much more intelligent move for TR is let Loma continue running 135. Let Teofimo move to 140 & make his name. Then you hot Bud, Loma & Teofimo filling up your calendar with fights damn near every other month. In a couple years when Lopez is a name & maybe top 5 P4P & Loma is looking to test himself in a new weight division we make a superfight between these two talented guys everyone has been watching on the app for the last couple years. Maybe even create a rivalry & a trilogy.

I mean I'm not trying to sh^t on your parade of Loma vs Lopez in 2020, but I definitely feel like what I'm saying is a more TR approach to promotions. I mean this would be their top two guy currently facing their #1 prospect. Its a sexy matchup this year or next, but its a sexy idea for TR to happen in ~2023.



Yea I'm not saying Loma wasn't ready for it. I'm saying Bob wasn't ready for it & it sounded like it took him some time & convincing to set it up.

Here's the thing, I'm not sure if TR will match Lopez and Loma next year. I'm not saying they will but how the situation ends up playing out is intriguing to me.

The counter point to what you said is what if Lomachenko ends up losing to someone else in late 2019 or 2020? Then Top Rank loses their P4P fighter without at the same time building up their future star in Lopez.

In a weird way I think Stevenson is eventually more likely to get Lomachenko than Lopez when the time is right.

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Here's the thing, I'm not sure if TR will match Lopez and Loma next year. I'm not saying they will but how the situation ends up playing out is intriguing to me.

Its intriguing in how you are thinking it could play out, but I think thats too much of a fan fantasy angle. Its not how TR does business. I can't even think of a similar situation TR has been involved with with 2 in house fighters with the potential of these guys that got fast tracked vs marinated.

The counter point to what you said is what if Lomachenko ends up losing to someone else in late 2019 or 2020? Then Top Rank loses their P4P fighter without at the same time building up their future star in Lopez.

If Loma loses Loma loses. If Teofimo loses Teofimo loses. If either loses any time soon neither is as good as most think they are & surely TR thinks they are. And I'd bet on the young kid with one real fight losing while stepping up into more real fights before the P4P top 3 guy pretty much universally losing in a not very exciting or competitive division. Hell man I was critical of Loma getting dropped by Linares myself & having not looked as extraordinary at 135 as he has in other divisions but idk that he's falling off the P4P list anytime soon.

In a weird way I think Stevenson is eventually more likely to get Lomachenko than Lopez when the time is right.

I'm still not sure Shakur pans out. They've been moving him up, but still seem to be cleverly matching him up in fights that look more competitve than they are if you look into his opponents just a lil. Kinda like they are trying to sell the fans & even sell Shakur on himself a lil too me. Although one could argue thats the TR standard for their top prospects. I don't see him beating any top 3 guy in his division any time soon either.