Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Crawford-Khan, Pacquiao, Maidana, More

[ShoulderRoll]

one time when Kovalev turned his back, Ward stopped punching

Son of God was being merciful.

[The D3vil]

The entire mailbag has become Breadman kissing the asses of contemporary American stars. "Floyd is better than Pacquiao. Ward is better than Kovalev. Crawford would beat everyone. Some of Ward's punches appeared to be low in the Kovalev rematch, but I couldn't tell because the replays were from such bad angles." Yeah and why do you think HBO hid the clear replays from us a$$hole? They did the show the one good one, of only one of the final three punches, though, and it was clearly low. It didn't "appear" low it was clear.

And when he's not pushing this bull****, he's busy kissing Canelo and Wilder's a$$es. That's his whole mailbag now, just praising the biggest moneymakers in America over and over again, promoting the cash cows or future cash cows one mailbag at a time. Does Breadman at least get a cut? Hopefully when JRoc beats Hurd, it will thrust Breadman back into the training spotlight, and he can focus more on that, instead of pushing 90% of the same agenda in his mailbags that the "LDBC" pushes on youtube, just with a respectful, intelligent spin the agenda, just enough intelligence to blind oneself from their own biases, it would seem......

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Waaaa Waaaaa Waaaa

I can't believe Breadman doesn't parrot my obviously anti-American biases.

[steeve steel]

His corner was also TERRIBLE

Yes I agree. Maybe younger, with a good team, he could be a real force. But now...

[Sledgeweather17]

Yes, we've all seen that scenario before, but not in the fight we're discussing.

Be real about it ... you know that Kovalev doubled over, sat on the ropes and looked at Weeks because he wanted to appeal a low blow.

As Breadman said, he was down at that point. Weeks should have given him a count. There was no need to wave it off immediately.

What you know and what I know is irrelevant.

What matters is what Weeks thought at the time.

To him, those were not low blows, therefore to him it looked like Kovalev was looking for a way out.

[kafkod]

What you know and what I know is irrelevant.

What matters is what Weeks thought at the time.

To him, those were not low blows, therefore to him it looked like Kovalev was looking for a way out.

I don't believe that for one second.

And even if I did, I would still say that Weeks should have done what any competant and none biased ref would have done in that circumstance - given Kovalev a count when he sat down on the ropes and found out whether he wanted to quit or not.

Kovalev hadn't taken a bad beating and he was fully conscious. There was no justification for what Weeks did.

If something like that had happened to a US fighter in, eg, the UK, you would have gone crazy about it, and you know it.

[dukesville]

I think Marquez beat Norwood and John. I don't know why "breadman" says John gave Marquez "fits", that fight is one of the worst robberies I have seen.

[Sledgeweather17]

I don't believe that for one second.

And even if I did, I would still say that Weeks should have done what any competant and none biased ref would have done in that circumstance - given Kovalev a count when he sat down on the ropes and found out whether he wanted to quit or not.

Kovalev hadn't taken a bad beating and he was fully conscious. There was no justification for what Weeks did.

If something like that had happened to a US fighter in, eg, the UK, you would have gone crazy about it, and you know it.

First of all, I'm not from the US, I'm South African.

I agree that weeks should have given Kovalev a count since lying against like he was is considered equivalent to a knockdown.

But Kovalev had already been displaying a quitting mentality long before that moment. At one point he turned his back to Ward, I mean, who does that in a fight? And he kept complaining about punches that were clearly legal and saying he was punched low.

No doubt the last two of three punches before the stoppage were low, but that in itself was only because Kovalev was hunched over against the ropes, so it was difficult for Ward to see where he was punching, and difficult for Weeks too.

Having said all that, Weeks should have given Kovalev a count in that moment and seen if he wanted to continue, you're right about that, especially considering the magnitude of the fight. When that much is a stake, you don't just end a fight easily like that.

Like Imagine if the ref had waved Fury off in the twelth round against Wilder what would have happened? Not exactly the same thing but similarly, Weeks should have given Kovalev the benefit of the doutb.

I feel like Kovalev's demise was inevitable though, Ward was much sharper in their second fight and much more vicious to he body early on. He would have either stopped Kovalev or given him a severe beating. He looked so much fitter and so much sharper in the rematch, but still, Kovalev deserved the chance to prove otherwise, unlikely as that may be.

[kafkod]

First of all, I'm not from the US, I'm South African.

I agree that weeks should have given Kovalev a count since lying against like he was is considered equivalent to a knockdown.

But Kovalev had already been displaying a quitting mentality long before that moment. At one point he turned his back to Ward, I mean, who does that in a fight? And he kept complaining about punches that were clearly legal and saying he was punched low.

No doubt the last two of three punches before the stoppage were low, but that in itself was only because Kovalev was hunched over against the ropes, so it was difficult for Ward to see where he was punching, and difficult for Weeks too.

Having said all that, Weeks should have given Kovalev a count in that moment and seen if he wanted to continue, you're right about that, especially considering the magnitude of the fight. When that much is a stake, you don't just end a fight easily like that.

Like Imagine if the ref had waved Fury off in the twelth round against Wilder what would have happened? Not exactly the same thing but similarly, Weeks should have given Kovalev the benefit of the doutb.

I feel like Kovalev's demise was inevitable though, Ward was much sharper in their second fight and much more vicious to he body early on. He would have either stopped Kovalev or given him a severe beating. He looked so much fitter and so much sharper in the rematch, but still, Kovalev deserved the chance to prove otherwise, unlikely as that may be.

Ok, so you are not American, but you are clearly not a Kovelev fan. If the same thing had happened to a Fighter you are a fan of, you would have been up in arms about it.

Kovelev had a lot of top level amateur fights and he had no rep as a quitter, amateur or pro. He was decked twice by Darnell Boone and took a battering in at least one round, from what I've read, and he didn't quit.

Neither did he show any signs of quitting when he lost to Alvarez.

He reacted to being hit on the belt line of his trunks by turning away and complaining to Weeks, because earlier in the fight Weeks had warned Ward for landing in the exact same place, and told him to keep his punches up.

[kafkod]

First of all, I'm not from the US, I'm South African.

I agree that weeks should have given Kovalev a count since lying against like he was is considered equivalent to a knockdown.

But Kovalev had already been displaying a quitting mentality long before that moment. At one point he turned his back to Ward, I mean, who does that in a fight? And he kept complaining about punches that were clearly legal and saying he was punched low.

No doubt the last two of three punches before the stoppage were low, but that in itself was only because Kovalev was hunched over against the ropes, so it was difficult for Ward to see where he was punching, and difficult for Weeks too.

Having said all that, Weeks should have given Kovalev a count in that moment and seen if he wanted to continue, you're right about that, especially considering the magnitude of the fight. When that much is a stake, you don't just end a fight easily like that.

Like Imagine if the ref had waved Fury off in the twelth round against Wilder what would have happened? Not exactly the same thing but similarly, Weeks should have given Kovalev the benefit of the doutb.

I feel like Kovalev's demise was inevitable though, Ward was much sharper in their second fight and much more vicious to he body early on. He would have either stopped Kovalev or given him a severe beating. He looked so much fitter and so much sharper in the rematch, but still, Kovalev deserved the chance to prove otherwise, unlikely as that may be.

Even as a fury fan. I wouldn't have complained if Reiss had waved him out without a count after he went down like he'd been shot in the head and was clearly out like a light, initially.

The tide had turned toward Ward in the Kovalev fight, but if Weeks had made it plain to Kovalev that he wasn't going to get anywhere complaing about low blows, who knows how Kovalev would have reacted.

It looked like Ward was on his way to winning, but you never know with a puncher like Kovalev.

[BoxingTrav]

I love Breadman's Mailbags. Like most human beings he has his little biases but I think he tries to e objective. He is a clear Sugar Ray fan. He overrates Terry Norris because of the beating that Norris gave to Sugar Ray. Breadman is also more of a fan of Manny than Floyd going back to his Fight Hype days. Read his mailbags that is revealed time and time again.

But I always look forward to his mailbags they are very informative.