Now that it has been proven that Wilder is ducking....

[BoxFight]

F&^%ing hell that guy is absolutely mental.

I think he's actually serious too.

Yeah, he is almost serious!

[DaNeutral.]

Is there anyone able to throw their hands up and say "Yes, 60/40 with a $15 MILLION guarantee and a guarantee rematch AND you get 70% for the second fight if you win the first fight...is waaay fair, get it done Deontay."

Is there any Wilder devotee willing to have the humility and the maturity to admit that this not just fair, it is more than fair?

As an aside, for the conspiratorialists who believe that the WBC is aiding Wilder in his ducking it is no surprise that they have gone from 'endorsing' the Fury rematch to 'mandating' it. This helps Wilder save face if he takes the rematch over the unification.

I'd love Fury to beat him again and then it's Fury Joshua 50/50 and Wilder can fook off into obscurity. Worst representative of America's proud heavyweight history, not to call him out for his ducking is enabling him to carry on being a *****.

Too soon. Although its become quite clear to anybody who wasnt sure i dont think Wilders managers or fans are quite ready to give up on their bull **** narratives yet. I was on one of the LDBC vids yesterday and now they are trying to convince themselves that Deontay is actually the A side and so the offer is bull****. So they haven't given up just yet.

And to any of these idiots that tell me im a fool for believing Eddie Hearn and if i looked back through history bla bla IM NOT, im basing all my accusations of duckery all on what i read and hear from Team Wilder, Not even the LDBC cuz they just hate mongering on Youtube but you make yourself a time line of everything that has gone on regarding this fight and it stinks to high heaven of duckery.

Not to mention them all tripping over each others stories on TBV interviews, problem with their 50 million offer lie was they didnt all get the same script.

[Jax teller]

I see this as a massive bubble. Wilder and Joshua have pushed it and pushed it and its probably at the maximum hype it can get to, without it bursting.

In my very biased opinion, Wilder needs to fight Joshua now.

Wilder's stock will plummet to Charles Martin levels if he loses a rematch to Fury.

That's just not credible. This is a mega sell out fight the way it stands, doesn't need any more building.

At some point an intelligent person looks at all the facts and says the most obvious scenario is the most obvious explanation, without the need for complex conspiracies and theories.

Wilder is ducking, plain as day

100% the fight needed building in the US and Wilders name in the UK as well (In perspective of the people making money from it). I don't think AJ Wilder would have done much better intstead of the first Wilder Fury and now they have traction in the US.

Now Wilder will bring some US fans and has has more recognition to his name in UK since being associated with Fury. The rematch set to double these figure which only has a knock on effect with a fight with AJ.

Wilder clearly didn't count on Fury coming back at the level he did and IMO is a cherry pick gone wrong however if he does beat him in the rematch which isn't ridiculous potential outcome he stands to gain a bigger slice of a bigger pie.

The person in the best position will be the winner out of the first fight between any of them and I rate Wilders chance less against AJ than his chances against Fury. In other words he's more likely to beat Fury and go on to fight AJ getting two increasingly large paydays whereas if he takes AJ first IMO he's so much more likely to lose and by KO as well only getting one payday.

Don't get me wrong I want AJ in the mix now but for Wilder, Fury next would make the most sense.

[Marchegiano]

Calling yourselves intelligent


I wonder all the time how youse go through your lives like that. Just claiming and never proving. Guess it's just something that's kinda British.

[Froch_uppercut]

Did you forget to log out of your alt son?


You've done nothing but proudly state how you'll remain ignorant Mark. I don't see what I'm meant to be bothered by.

A handful of highly emotional little toad's pizzle losing their **** because their ignorance has been called out and their semantics can't be used to defend that ignorance.....wowee do I feel sheepish...

Look at the ****ing state of you:

When you are at work you are under the employ of another man, and when you go to the voting polls you go to vote for some other man, and when you're off to the shop to buy another man's product, and when you're online you debate another man's issues, I have to wonder how the **** you call yourself an individual capable of independent thought?

Mark.

I conclude that you are a 58 year old new age, crystal hugging, incense burning, thrice divorced, backwater dwelling, Shirley McLaine type woman who lives alone with her 5 cats.
You're impressed with what you think is your own uniqueness but you come across as an absolute bellend, now do one.

[Ray*]

I could see you triggered a lot of Wilder fan girls with your thread.

[Ray*]

Too soon. Although its become quite clear to anybody who wasnt sure i dont think Wilders managers or fans are quite ready to give up on their bull **** narratives yet. I was on one of the LDBC vids yesterday and now they are trying to convince themselves that Deontay is actually the A side and so the offer is bull****. So they haven't given up just yet.

And to any of these idiots that tell me im a fool for believing Eddie Hearn and if i looked back through history bla bla IM NOT, im basing all my accusations of duckery all on what i read and hear from Team Wilder, Not even the LDBC cuz they just hate mongering on Youtube but you make yourself a time line of everything that has gone on regarding this fight and it stinks to high heaven of duckery.

Not to mention them all tripping over each others stories on TBV interviews, problem with their 50 million offer lie was they didnt all get the same script.

I could safely say i couldnt care less for Joshua or Wilder, but when this whole thing started i have to say i thought Wilder was ducking the fight, At first i wanted the fight to be built up because i thought Wilder would want the fight in america and he would want big money for it.

But then he did that interview where he said "No more ducking, no more dodging, no hiding behind promoters, or financials, am willing to travel" etc

So i thought hmm this guy just want this Joshua fight and to take his head off, at the time i didn't think Joshua was ready for him, so in my mind the fight was going to be built up.

Once they offered him 12.5m dollars and he turned it down i turned against him right then. Personally he didn;t want that fight outside of america but thats my opinion.

[Marchegiano]

I conclude that you are a 58 year old new age, crystal hugging, incense burning, thrice divorced, backwater dwelling, Shirley McLaine type woman who lives alone with her 5 cats.
You're impressed with what you think is your own uniqueness but you come across as an absolute bellend, now do one.

I'm the world's foremost silicone prosthetics inventor, bubba.

You can see me on Showtime, Discovery, TLC, Channel 4, and not me but my work, I am the only person on the planet who knows how to make the product, can be seen on CBS's CSI in the final season, I reckon the ep is called Rubber Murder or some such similar.

I am Adam Ramos, you're a damn fool.

[Froch_uppercut]

100% the fight needed building in the US and Wilders name in the UK as well (In perspective of the people making money from it). I don't think AJ Wilder would have done much better intstead of the first Wilder Fury and now they have traction in the US.

Now Wilder will bring some US fans and has has more recognition to his name in UK since being associated with Fury. The rematch set to double these figure which only has a knock on effect with a fight with AJ.

Wilder clearly didn't count on Fury coming back at the level he did and IMO is a cherry pick gone wrong however if he does beat him in the rematch which isn't ridiculous potential outcome he stands to gain a bigger slice of a bigger pie.

The person in the best position will be the winner out of the first fight between any of them and I rate Wilders chance less against AJ than his chances against Fury. In other words he's more likely to beat Fury and go on to fight AJ getting two increasingly large paydays whereas if he takes AJ first IMO he's so much more likely to lose and by KO as well only getting one payday.

Don't get me wrong I want AJ in the mix now but for Wilder, Fury next would make the most sense.

You know what mate, I can't argue with any of that conclusion.

I might disagree a little bit about your point about Wilder's increased exposure because my personal view is that the difference in Wilder being known by those added few is negligible to the big picture. This was a mega fight before and after Wilder got that bit extra exposure.

I am no fan of Wilder whatsoever, and I do think he took Fury lightly (cherry pick gone wrong) but as of where we are at right now I cannot disagree with your summary at all.

If Wilder can do Fury in a rematch (which is a bit of a gamble, because if he loses Joshua will enjoy freezing him out after all his bs trash lies), but...if he does come through against Fury he is in a very good spot financially. He'd have 2 massive paydays coming from AJ, and already good bank from having fought Fury x 2.
It's risky for him isn't it? Do you go for the AJ paydays now, 2 massive paydays on the table and chances to unify. Or do you take a lesser risk (I agree with you, Fury is obviously less risk than Joshua) and hope you grab that money AND then still have the other options available too.

For me, likeliest scenario. He makes the Fury rematch hoping to come through it and gets AJ afterwards. Unless at that point he then asks for 60 / 40 in his favour which I would not put past him, and no doubt his followers might support that too lol.

As an aside. In my opinion, Dillian Whyte is massively underrated (he beat AJ in ams and can rock anyone's world at any time. He has a great chin, can box, can last 12 rounds, and of course has quick, very heavy hands). If Joshua fights Whyte I would not rule out the whole applecart being turned over. Make no mistake, Whyte is a VERY good HW. I'd bet on him to beat either Wilder or Fury.

[Froch_uppercut]

I'm the world's foremost silicone prosthetics inventor, bubba.

You can see me on Showtime, Discovery, TLC, Channel 4, and not me but my work, I am the only person on the planet who knows how to make the product, can be seen on CBS's CSI in the final season, I reckon the ep is called Rubber Murder or some such similar.

I am Adam Ramos, you're a damn fool.

Yeah ok mate. Tell me more about the struggle of the duck billed platypus as regards it's struggle with climate change and the impact this is having on the Wilder Joshua fight lol?

You're a complete f&^%ing loon. Entertaining though. In the UK the old farts like you sit in the corner of the pub and we buy them a beer so they can tell us how they invented the water powered car but the men in black came and took them away.

I'm crushing you here fellah, you're reeling like Roy Jones getting chinned by Joe Calzaghe 30 times a minute.