Hearn reacts to Wilder/Fury mando order

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  • Scipio2009
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    #31
    Originally posted by KTFOKING
    60/40 is a fair split. Said first negotiations that Wilder deserved around 30-35%. The fight is now bigger after the Fury fight and what it did on PPV.

    However, if Wilder beats Fury in a rematch and it does more than double the buys the first fight did? Then he will get a 50/50 split or close to it.

    So yeah, these offers are fair, however it is clear Wilder's team is interested in getting the Fury rematch finalized and vice versa. Joshua will now have to wait to get either fighter.
    ... Why would Deontay Wilder, after two good PPVs (being conservative, let's say 500k-750k buys for Wilder-Fury 2), travel to the UK?

    $10m in Las Vegas, 750k PPV buys in the US, 500k buys on BT Sport Box Office, and the Wilder-Fury 2 pot tops Joshua-Klitschko by a good amount, with Wilder getting the lion's share of that.

    Unless Joshua is actually willing to short his own money (his actions here make it clear that he isn't), the UK likely no longer has claim to that fight

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      #32
      Originally posted by Scipio2009
      ... Why would Deontay Wilder, after two good PPVs (being conservative, let's say 500k-750k buys for Wilder-Fury 2), travel to the UK?

      $10m in Las Vegas, 750k PPV buys in the US, 500k buys on BT Sport Box Office, and the Wilder-Fury 2 pot tops Joshua-Klitschko by a good amount, with Wilder getting the lion's share of that.

      Unless Joshua is actually willing to short his own money (his actions here make it clear that he isn't), the UK likely no longer has claim to that fight
      Huh? I'm saying the offers are fair RIGHT NOW ala before the second Fury fight. I specifically mentioned if Wilder wins the rematch and it does the numbers I think it will, then he can ask for a 50/50 split and probably can get one.

      Where did I mention the fight taking place in the UK or America?

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        #33
        Originally posted by KTFOKING
        Huh? I'm saying the offers are fair RIGHT NOW ala before the second Fury fight. I specifically mentioned if Wilder wins the rematch and it does the numbers I think it will, then he can ask for a 50/50 split and probably can get one.

        Where did I mention the fight taking place in the UK or America?
        55% of the Wilder-Fury 2 pot is likely to be worth more than 40% of a Joshua-Wilder pot in April (and that's without thinking about fighting on Joshua's date in Joshua's venue, with Joshua's officials, on Joshua's broadcaster in the UK and off of Wilder's on broadcaster in the US).

        60/40 would've been a great deal in the Fall, the ship has sailed on that figure after the Fury fight, and I doubt the UK is even an option if the Fury rematch with a Wilder win

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          #34
          Originally posted by Scipio2009
          55% of the Wilder-Fury 2 pot is likely to be worth more than 40% of a Joshua-Wilder pot in April (and that's without thinking about fighting on Joshua's date in Joshua's venue, with Joshua's officials, on Joshua's broadcaster in the UK and off of Wilder's on broadcaster in the US).

          60/40 would've been a great deal in the Fall, the ship has sailed on that figure after the Fury fight, and I doubt the UK is even an option if the Fury rematch with a Wilder win
          When did I say Wilder should take Joshua over the Fury rematch? I'm saying the 60/40 offer isn't a bad one by any means.

          Obviously if Wilder wins and the fight does good numbers, he's not going to settle for less than 50/50.

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            #35
            Originally posted by Scipio2009
            Lol, let me do this slowly so you can understand.

            From the guarantees disclosed, the split on the first fight was close to 55/45 Wilder. There's literally zero incentive for Fury/Warren to stall seemingly cordial negotiations to get a worse share on the fight and possibly lose event control. Hope that helps.

            How in the world does Deontay Wilder get $33m on an April Wembley date when Klitschko and Joshua, in the biggest event to ever hit the UK, ended up splitting $43m between the two of them? Lol.

            Joshua-Wilder, in the UK anyway, has a knowable maximum value that is publicly available. DAZN may want to simply blow money and pay $10m for the US rights to a fight in the afternoon, but even then, you'd only be talking about $50m, maybe.

            On the first fight, we know for sure that the fight did $3.5m+ at the live gate in LA, generated $25m+ on US PPV, with the take on the UK PPV being unknown. Rumors have it that both fighters ended up earning ~$14m each on the fight, but all we can say for sure is that the event covered it's own costs and then some.

            Wilder-Fury 2 in Las Vegas with MGM Resorts (at T-Mobile Arena or the MGM Grand) will likely be worth at least $10m, with the chance to basically triple that value depending on how things go. The first fight was such an event, with such an exciting finish, that it's pretty set that the rematch will do significantly better on PPV.

            On just those two streams alone, clearing $25m is unlikely to be some impossibility.

            40% on even a $50m take is still $20m; after both fighters allegedly getting $14m on the first fight, do you honestly think that $20m on the rematch is some longshot?
            Now minus network and cable expenses because your gross means nothing when a huge percentage is taken for network and cable in the us. Wilder gets a split of nett profit from all ppv sales OVER break-even.

            Wilder gets 40% of the purse against Joshua...plus a 15 million dollar guarantee. Showtime are more than welcome to buy the US rights to that fight if they outbid DAZN and Hearn has said that. if they want to put it on PPV in the afternoon , they can. Surely Wilders a big star in their eyes now after fury? No?

            If you cannot see how at the end of it all, his take home would be higher than what he would gain from fighting fury...I can't help you.

            It isn't like the rematch deals aren't fair either.. guaranteed on home soil in Vegas or New York etc.
            He could get KO in the first round against Joshua and still get 30% in a rematch.

            But nah... Fighting fury is where it's at apparently for him.

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