Comments Thread For: Jarrell Miller Tabs Joshua as 'Turd' - Gives High Praise To Hearn

[billeau2]

Lol right.

I think we might look back upon this time with some enlightenment when Hearn ends up in rehab this time next year after some embarrassing photos pop up with him in fishnet stockings & panties.

Cuz I'm a Hearn fan at the end of the day, but pretty much around the time of DAZN's deal with Hearn, give or take a month or two, it seems like this usually reasonable guy has been making more missteps than he's made in any similar time period previously.

And that is the point... WHY is that? Could it be that his options are limited? When you post something to the effect that AJ has to have a fight, the response is WHO AJ SHOULD fight... And that is a hypothetical statement. The issue is what is the available competition.

I will say it again: when Fury and Wilder crossed swords it left AJ odd man out. Hearns has a limited amount of options from which to draw upon to get AJ a fight that should be against one of these two guys.

When people rubbish Wilder under these conditions they are doing the proverbial "biting the nose off, to spite the face." There are some here that believe that Wilder is beneath AJ... Certainly not from a fan's perspective he is not and it would do AJ no favors to try to push this nonsense. If AJ is so much better, and this fight can be made, he can prove it. I personally feel as though Fury could outclass AJ but I would never speak of a reason not to prove it in the ring... Again what else is there for Tommy twinkle toes hearns to do!? Say "AJ is better than everyone, so we will start fighting young inexperienced guys from the bottom of the ladder."

And this same nonsense can be applied imo to guys like Miller. Miller has some clout, if he is so vulnerable beat him quickly then fight again.

[billeau2]

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The original interview was on IFL tv but is 1 hr 30 minutes. In any case Wilder has 40% you are happy he shuns fighting Joshua and fights Fury? Stop with the “but he didn’t want it before.” Go out and become undisputed. Throughout his career he has never been one to take huge challenges that’s why he has no fan base. Go and take what you think is yours. Crying because he felt disrespected and you are endorsing this behaviour. It’s cool but don’t be a hypocrite when AJ fights Whyte.

I want to see the best fight the best. You know one face one name and all. You should want the same instead of all this Louis lane reporting. I want to see the fight. The percentage is fair is it not? What’s the problem sign the contract and let’s fight

Noel
I think fighters say a lot of things. I also think that fighters are taught, somewhere down the line, that their managers will make the fights. It gets messy because fighters comment on the splits, make demands, etc...I would bet my last dollar that the Frank Warrens, the Twinkle Toes Hearn, etc would love it if they could turn off the fighter's voices at select times...

The fact of the matter is that the market for heavyweight fighters right now has absolute certainty and nothing else does: Like most markets there is an efficiency about this market, such that the guys in charge can predict that a fight between Fury and Wilder, will create another relatively prosperous event. This is leverage based on certainty and not idle speculation. Fans know the last fight right? Does not take a genius here.

This leverage is being used to force AJ to take another fight before getting in the mix. You cannot take what Fury says as gospel, if Tommy TToes decided tomorrow that Fury was vulnerable to AJ, he would then have the option of giving Fury what people call "A side" (hate the term!) to make the fight and get AJ to the top of the heap. He can't do this because...and this is very important! If he makes this fight and AJ is either outclassed, or otherwise beaten by Fury, AJ just took a fight where he had little leverage, lost it, and is now devalued and has to step back and give a pass to Wilder at the very least.

Wilder is a better fight for AJ and TTT knows this. But Wilder still has more leverage than AJ. This is the real problem. TTT really does not like this situation. There is a risk associated with this fight, and again... important!!!!...Even if AJ easily beats Wilder, if he took a leveraged split, he is only one fight richer and still b side with respect to Fury. Why? because Fury by all accounts beat Wilder first, nobody takes the judges seriously. The lineal title is really the way the fan's accept a champion, when it is used. It could be called the "people's title" for all practical purposes. It is the acknowledged best fighter by the fighting public for the premier division in the sport. Fury has that title because to the fans, to the pundits, he obviously beat Wilder.

So what options does TTT have? he wants AJ to have the leverage and the clout... but AJ can only use this against the next rung of the division. What about if AJ waits until after Wilder and Fury fight? Not much really changes unless one guy dominates. So in a sense AJ's best move, and TTT knows this!!! is to wait and hope that Fury dominates Wilder (most think) or, Wilder KO's Wilder (remote but possible). Worse case would be a close win by either man in a hard fought contest because then, they could even stretch this for a rubber match! believe it.

My point is that AJ is in a bad position. In a very real sense he is left fighting guys who he does not want too fight right now. beating Whyte, Miller, etc does nothing for him. The best scenario for him is a fight with Wilder where he wins it. Even then, AJ probably is not getting past Fury unless Fury loses a step.

[Noelanthony]

Noel
I think fighters say a lot of things. I also think that fighters are taught, somewhere down the line, that their managers will make the fights. It gets messy because fighters comment on the splits, make demands, etc...I would bet my last dollar that the Frank Warrens, the Twinkle Toes Hearn, etc would love it if they could turn off the fighter's voices at select times...

The fact of the matter is that the market for heavyweight fighters right now has absolute certainty and nothing else does: Like most markets there is an efficiency about this market, such that the guys in charge can predict that a fight between Fury and Wilder, will create another relatively prosperous event. This is leverage based on certainty and not idle speculation. Fans know the last fight right? Does not take a genius here.

This leverage is being used to force AJ to take another fight before getting in the mix. You cannot take what Fury says as gospel, if Tommy TToes decided tomorrow that Fury was vulnerable to AJ, he would then have the option of giving Fury what people call "A side" (hate the term!) to make the fight and get AJ to the top of the heap. He can't do this because...and this is very important! If he makes this fight and AJ is either outclassed, or otherwise beaten by Fury, AJ just took a fight where he had little leverage, lost it, and is now devalued and has to step back and give a pass to Wilder at the very least.

Wilder is a better fight for AJ and TTT knows this. But Wilder still has more leverage than AJ. This is the real problem. TTT really does not like this situation. There is a risk associated with this fight, and again... important!!!!...Even if AJ easily beats Wilder, if he took a leveraged split, he is only one fight richer and still b side with respect to Fury. Why? because Fury by all accounts beat Wilder first, nobody takes the judges seriously. The lineal title is really the way the fan's accept a champion, when it is used. It could be called the "people's title" for all practical purposes. It is the acknowledged best fighter by the fighting public for the premier division in the sport. Fury has that title because to the fans, to the pundits, he obviously beat Wilder.

So what options does TTT have? he wants AJ to have the leverage and the clout... but AJ can only use this against the next rung of the division. What about if AJ waits until after Wilder and Fury fight? Not much really changes unless one guy dominates. So in a sense AJ's best move, and TTT knows this!!! is to wait and hope that Fury dominates Wilder (most think) or, Wilder KO's Wilder (remote but possible). Worse case would be a close win by either man in a hard fought contest because then, they could even stretch this for a rubber match! believe it.

My point is that AJ is in a bad position. In a very real sense he is left fighting guys who he does not want too fight right now. beating Whyte, Miller, etc does nothing for him. The best scenario for him is a fight with Wilder where he wins it. Even then, AJ probably is not getting past Fury unless Fury loses a step.

Eloquently expressed as always although I don’t think Fury will beat AJ albeit I totally understand anyone thinking that

[Noelanthony]

I'm glad you said that! Don't, as Lennox Lewis said about Joshua, "change your tune" when Tyson Fury comes out as says the same as Warren!

Lololololol I won’t but if he did I bet he wouldn’t quote what was offered. Tyson is a gypsie they are slippery as F#uck. Warren is anxious now being told offers by Tyson.lololol. I actually believe Tyson is fond of Hearn.you are warming to Hearn too:boobies:

[Eff Pandas]

Yup. And I seem to be the only person who thinks that Miller pulling out 4 days out because he still didn't have an opponent is a really bad look.

Also, 4 other fighters on that card still don't have opponents...for Saturday.

Oh yea thats definitely a bad look. And I didn't realize 4 opponents still don't have opponents. Thats un-Hearn-like. Hope they are lower level fights with prospects vs more proven guys like Big Baby's situation.

Idk whats going on with Hearn for sure obviously, but something is definitely hindering him these days I feel like. His whole Matchroom USA run has been a sh^tshow largely if not exclusively. This weird Joshua HW stuff where he's double talking & making claims about other peoples fights not happening that do is making him look awful & is even getting his #1 fighter & the #2 biggest fighter in the world looking like a dummy ffs.

And people keep saying I'm being biased, but look at my Hearn comments in the past. I've hyped him as the best promoter in the game & was excited about the Matchroom USA play & have even defended him cuz the reality people don't wanna discuss or accept is there is gonna be a learning curve of growth required for Hearn to have success in the US.

Thing is he's not really sticking to doing the things that made him as big as he is today & I'm not sure he's putting much effort in anything with his US play. The guy is overworked, stressed out, got some addiction, is ****ing ******** on the low or something is f#cking up his previous highly successful MO.

[Bronx2245]

Lololololol I won’t but if he did I bet he wouldn’t quote what was offered. Tyson is a gypsie they are slippery as F#uck. Warren is anxious now being told offers by Tyson.lololol. I actually believe Tyson is fond of Hearn.you are warming to Hearn too:boobies:

I like what Hearn is trying to do, building his stable, but he's a promoter, and I don't trust most promoters! I see a little of Bob Arum in Hearn! Sending offers to fighters, but not their promoters, knowing that they have to deal with the promoter anyway! That type of stuff! Flat-fee offers, or low-ball offers, just to say "we offered him a fight," knowing it will be turned down! That's old school stuff!

[aboutfkntime]

there are some good thoughtful comments in this thread

what's up with Hearn saying he offered Wilder and Fury 40%..... but Warren/Fury totally refuting that claim, saying the offer was not even close to 40%..... insisting the Hearn offer was so derisory that they did not even respond?

and that is relevant to what Miller is saying

it looks like they will be fighting Whyte after all, as planned

[_Rexy_]

Oh yea thats definitely a bad look. And I didn't realize 4 opponents still don't have opponents. Thats un-Hearn-like. Hope they are lower level fights with prospects vs more proven guys like Big Baby's situation.

Idk whats going on with Hearn for sure obviously, but something is definitely hindering him these days I feel like. His whole Matchroom USA run has been a sh^tshow largely if not exclusively. This weird Joshua HW stuff where he's double talking & making claims about other peoples fights not happening that do is making him look awful & is even getting his #1 fighter & the #2 biggest fighter in the world looking like a dummy ffs.

And people keep saying I'm being biased, but look at my Hearn comments in the past. I've hyped him as the best promoter in the game & was excited about the Matchroom USA play & have even defended him cuz the reality people don't wanna discuss or accept is there is gonna be a learning curve of growth required for Hearn to have success in the US.

Thing is he's not really sticking to doing the things that made him as big as he is today & I'm not sure he's putting much effort in anything with his US play. The guy is overworked, stressed out, got some addiction, is ****ing ******** on the low or something is f#cking up his previous highly successful MO.

People think you're biased because you're American, but I know you've actually been one of Hearns only supporters on this side of the border. I just think he's stretched himself too thin and he's way over his head. He's been protected over in the UK with his dad's money and his dad's promotion already built. He came over to the USA thinking it would be just as easy.

Not to mention that the tricks he pulls over in the UK that the fans eat up, Arum was pulling over here in the 70's. Yes Eddie learned it from one of the best, but you can't expect to use that trick ON the guy you learned it from.

[billeau2]

Eloquently expressed as always although I don’t think Fury will beat AJ albeit I totally understand anyone thinking that

The pundits, the oddsmakers think that Fury in good shape would win that easy. Watch the odds for the fight when and if it is made. particularly as the fight draws near and IF Fury is prepared.

My opinion? I think they are right, they usually are lol. But it would not suprise me if Joshua comes up big. He is getting better every fight, just needs an opponent! (palm slap).

[billeau2]

Oh yea thats definitely a bad look. And I didn't realize 4 opponents still don't have opponents. Thats un-Hearn-like. Hope they are lower level fights with prospects vs more proven guys like Big Baby's situation.

Idk whats going on with Hearn for sure obviously, but something is definitely hindering him these days I feel like. His whole Matchroom USA run has been a sh^tshow largely if not exclusively. This weird Joshua HW stuff where he's double talking & making claims about other peoples fights not happening that do is making him look awful & is even getting his #1 fighter & the #2 biggest fighter in the world looking like a dummy ffs.

And people keep saying I'm being biased, but look at my Hearn comments in the past. I've hyped him as the best promoter in the game & was excited about the Matchroom USA play & have even defended him cuz the reality people don't wanna discuss or accept is there is gonna be a learning curve of growth required for Hearn to have success in the US.

Thing is he's not really sticking to doing the things that made him as big as he is today & I'm not sure he's putting much effort in anything with his US play. The guy is overworked, stressed out, got some addiction, is ****ing ******** on the low or something is f#cking up his previous highly successful MO.

Eff Pandas:
There comes a situation in self protection scenario where you enter a so called "death funnel." YOu are in the worse vantage point...The guy has cover, and he can see as though he is in the tip of the funnel as "you," the plural "you, filter in. For example, a guy in a room opening to a larger room with one entry. Every group has different tactocs for dealing, from SWAT to Seal Teams, etc... But they all have to realize the disadvantage position they are in.

I use this drawn out example because it fits perfectly here. One can be smart, use tactics, but there is a base position from which one is dealing. In this case at the very base level? AJ needs to fight someone. I think Tommy isn't accepting that reality. And it carries over to his other cards, no doubt. Its really a matter of not denying the situation one is in.

AJ looks like he is the culprit but AJ will fight who Tommy Twinkle Toes tells him to fight.

If one wants to cast aspersions then one need look at when Fury and Wilder was a possibility. I think TTT was correct in assuming at that point that Fury would be a bust, but he wasn't. No doubt everyone thought the Gypsy King would, IF he showed, be a pitiful fascimile of himself...but he wasn't. Now the reality being what it was, its time for TTT to change tactics and get AJ's name out there, and not as odd man out.

I think TTT is just behind right now reacting to circumstances and it is hurting him and his fighters.