Comments Thread For: Fury: I Already Beat Wilder, One Down, I'll Do Same To Joshua

[davefromvancouv]

For one he didn’t knock out Fury and he throws windmills so it takes absolutely no skill. Having a 6ft 9 target and hitting him 5 times in 36 minutes being the natural athletic guy out of the two does not suggest to me he has improved his skill level. Wilder is as stiff if not stiffer than Joshua when he is defending. He is there to be knocked out. Chin in the air, goes backwards in straight lines with his hands in the air.

Coaches usually drum that out of you in the first year of boxing. Maybe if you tell me what you define as skill we can clear up this confusion

I didn't say he knocked him out. I said once he starting FIGURING him out, he starting tagging him and eventually dropping him. The double punch knockdown in the 12th was as skillful a knockdown as you'll see. Or maybe you saw that as luck?

There is nothing STIFF about Wilder's style. Fury was just able to catch him every now and again with his unorthodox style. Similar to how he was able to catch Klitschko. You were just seeing two fighters fighting at the elite level getting the better of each other. Joshua is not getting that level of experience fighting Martin, Takam, Parker and Povetkin. Against Povetkin, he actually seemed to be getting worst.

Wilder is showing boxing experts that he can negate conventional boxing skills with his own unique style. It takes elusive styles like Szpilka, Ortiz and Fury to make it more challenging for him but, like I said, he eventually catches you. And the more he's able to overcome these challenges, the better he gets.

[Noelanthony]

I didn't say he knocked him out. I said once he starting FIGURING him out, he starting tagging him and eventually dropping him. The double punch knockdown in the 12th was as skillful a knockdown as you'll see. Or maybe you saw that as luck?

There is nothing STIFF about Wilder's style. Fury was just able to catch him every now and again with his unorthodox style. Similar to how he was able to catch Klitschko. You were just seeing two fighters fighting at the elite level getting the better of each other. Joshua is not getting that level of experience fighting Martin, Takam, Parker and Povetkin. Against Povetkin, he actually seemed to be getting worst.

Wilder is showing boxing experts that he can negate conventional boxing skills with his own unique style. It takes elusive styles like Szpilka, Ortiz and Fury to make it more challenging for him but, like I said, he eventually catches you. And the more he's able to overcome these challenges, the better he gets.

Oh don’t forget Washington he outboxed Wilder too. I suppose I should be impressed the way his skill came to his rescue

[davefromvancouv]

Oh don’t forget Washington he outboxed Wilder too. I suppose I should be impressed the way his skill came to his rescue

Wilder has come a long way since the Washington fight.

[Noelanthony]

Wilder has come a long way since the Washington fight.

He has?? He faced an overweight Stiverne which he disposed of in 1 round. He fought Ortiz next and nearly got knocked out en he faced Fury was outboxed and lost. Thankfully for him they declared the contest a draw but tell me how he has improved ,I’m intrigued to know?

[davefromvancouv]

He has?? He faced an overweight Stiverne which he disposed of in 1 round. He fought Ortiz next and nearly got knocked out en he faced Fury was outboxed and lost. Thankfully for him they declared the contest a draw but tell me how he has improved ,I’m intrigued to know?

Have you ever fought? Ever been outclassed by an opponent but been competitive? What happens when you go back to fighting lower-tier opponents? You tend to pick up some of the same tricks used to beat you, you learn from your mistakes and you become a better fighter. You beat your previous opponents easier the second time around. That's what is currently happening to Deontay Wilder, fighting Ortiz then Fury. That's what happened to Fury fighting Wilder. Joshua fighting Klitschko. Klitschko fighting Fury. Wilder fighting Stiverne for the vacant WBC championship. What happened in the Stiverne rematch? What's going to happen in the Wilder-Fury rematch? Wilder got outboxed, but Fury almost got knocked out. In the last 4 rounds, Wilder knocked Fury down twice. Fury gave as good as he got after the knockdown in the last round. They were both beaten by the other's best assets so they are better fighters now than before they fought.

Has Joshua gotten better since Klitschko? Is he more elusive than Fury so he won't get hit by Wilder's right hand? Is he more mobile and looser than Wilder so he can catch Fury?

[Noelanthony]

Have you ever fought? Ever been outclassed by an opponent but been competitive? What happens when you go back to fighting lower-tier opponents? You tend to pick up some of the same tricks used to beat you, you learn from your mistakes and you become a better fighter. You beat your previous opponents easier the second time around. That's what is currently happening to Deontay Wilder, fighting Ortiz then Fury. That's what happened to Fury fighting Wilder. Joshua fighting Klitschko. Klitschko fighting Fury. Wilder fighting Stiverne for the vacant WBC championship. What happened in the Stiverne rematch? What's going to happen in the Wilder-Fury rematch? Wilder got outboxed, but Fury almost got knocked out. In the last 4 rounds, Wilder knocked Fury down twice. Fury gave as good as he got after the knockdown in the last round. They were both beaten by the other's best assets so they are better fighters now than before they fought.

Has Joshua gotten better since Klitschko? Is he more elusive than Fury so he won't get hit by Wilder's right hand? Is he more mobile and looser than Wilder so he can catch Fury?

Been fighting my entire life( I know corny as hell) and I’m still losing.

AJ throws combinations so even if he is slower stands more chance hitting Fury than Wilder. I have never seen a more predictable right hand thrown than Wilder’s. Fury helped Wilder because it was more to do with what Fury didn’t do in the 12th than what Wilder did do. I’m sorry it’s hard for me to rate his performance as he was totally out foxed. You are just hoping he has improved or learned from his lesson. Technically he never improves I’m sorry to inform you

[davefromvancouv]

Been fighting my entire life( I know corny as hell) and I’m still losing.

AJ throws combinations so even if he is slower stands more chance hitting Fury than Wilder. I have never seen a more predictable right hand thrown than Wilder’s. Fury helped Wilder because it was more to do with what Fury didn’t do in the 12th than what Wilder did do. I’m sorry it’s hard for me to rate his performance as he was totally out foxed. You are just hoping he has improved or learned from his lesson. Technically he never improves I’m sorry to inform you

Combinations against who??? Joshua won't be able to throw any meaningful combinations against Fury without getting pot-shot all night. Against Wilder, before he blinks he'll be attacked, he'll stiffen up like a board and get clobbered. Wilder only needs to land it once and Joshua doesn't move quickly enough to avoid it.

Sure he looks great throwing those uppercuts and combinations against other fighters, but he's never had to deal with the unique styles of Wilder and Fury. Even Fury had to admit, Wilder is the real deal.

[Noelanthony]

Combinations against who??? Joshua won't be able to throw any meaningful combinations against Fury without getting pot-shot all night. Against Wilder, before he blinks he'll be attacked, he'll stiffen up like a board and get clobbered. Wilder only needs to land it once and Joshua doesn't move quickly enough to avoid it.

Sure he looks great throwing those uppercuts and combinations against other fighters, but he's never had to deal with the unique styles of Wilder and Fury. Even Fury had to admit, Wilder is the real deal.

Contrary to what many f you believe Joshua has a better chin than Wilder . When Wilder is hit by a pillow fisted pot shot he almost freezes like a deer in headlights. Fury stunned him countless times but neglected to follow up. I honestly don’t view Wilder as a difficult fight at all. Don’t get me wrong he has the power to knock AJ head clean of his shoulders but any good fighter can neutralise that right hand. Fury did for 33 minutes and never came with a meaning offensive game. The way Joshua hits he may need just one or two openings. Having said that I’m not deluded into thinking Wilder is not capable of putting us to sleep but I feel there is so many holes in his arsenal that if one is switched on he should be disposed of relatively easily

[davefromvancouv]

Contrary to what many f you believe Joshua has a better chin than Wilder . When Wilder is hit by a pillow fisted pot shot he almost freezes like a deer in headlights. Fury stunned him countless times but neglected to follow up. I honestly don’t view Wilder as a difficult fight at all. Don’t get me wrong he has the power to knock AJ head clean of his shoulders but any good fighter can neutralise that right hand. Fury did for 33 minutes and never came with a meaning offensive game. The way Joshua hits he may need just one or two openings. Having said that I’m not deluded into thinking Wilder is not capable of putting us to sleep but I feel there is so many holes in his arsenal that if one is switched on he should be disposed of relatively easily

Nothing pillow fisted about a shot from a 6'9" fighter. Fury was only able to land because of his awkwardness, his elusiveness and timing. Joshua doesn't have that. I agree Joshua has serious heart and a great chin, but he's very conventional and very predictable with his shots. He's a difficult fight for a conventional fighter but not for the unique styles of Wilder and Fury. Mark my words: lowball offers will continue to be sent to any fighter that has a chance of beating him until that fighter shows sign of slipping or until that fighter gets old. And eventually, he'll get beaten by a second tier fighter.

Unless...

He takes control of his own career and steps up to fight Ortiz, Wilder and Fury. I believe he CAN be the REAL #1, but that won't happen until he challenges himself to raise his game. Because at this point, with the slippage I'm seeing, even Whyte has a serious shot of beating him.

[Noelanthony]

Nothing pillow fisted about a shot from a 6'9" fighter. Fury was only able to land because of his awkwardness, his elusiveness and timing. Joshua doesn't have that. I agree Joshua has serious heart and a great chin, but he's very conventional and very predictable with his shots. He's a difficult fight for a conventional fighter but not for the unique styles of Wilder and Fury. Mark my words: lowball offers will continue to be sent to any fighter that has a chance of beating him until that fighter shows sign of slipping or until that fighter gets old. And eventually, he'll get beaten by a second tier fighter.

Unless...

He takes control of his own career and steps up to fight Ortiz, Wilder and Fury. I believe he CAN be the REAL #1, but that won't happen until he challenges himself to raise his game. Because at this point, with the slippage I'm seeing, even Whyte has a serious shot of beating him.

I forgot the boxer that sparred with Klitschko, Fury, Wilder, AJ and so many other heavyweights. He said Wilder punches 2 times heavier than Klitscho. I can’t recall all the stats but Tyson Fury he said Wilder punches 8x harder than Fury. He is actually friends with Fury so his comments were not coming from a bad place. In any case when was the last time Fury floored an opponent talk less of knocking an opponent out. For a 6ft 9 heavyweight he has the power of a 5ft 7 power puncher .

Baring Stiverne 2 every fighter in the last 3 years has smashed Wilder in the face at least. He is there to be hit. He has done the chicken dance against fighters such as Molina where Joshua has just stepped over.

As for Whyte he is garbage. He has heart and he is game but he had a war against Derek Chisora twice and he is absolute dog s#hit. I don’t want to see him fight AJ because it’s an easy fight. Whyte balance is absolutely de****able. He is the type of boxer you watch with your beer belly hanging over your bullocks and you say “ I think have what it takes tohave a crack At this boxing thing” He inspires mediocrity