Comments Thread For: Korobov's Manager: Scoring Fight 119-108 For Charlo Outrageous!

[Boxing-1013]

Canelo and GGG have iron chins. Charlo wouldn't KO either of them.

I am a big GGG fan and I respect Canelo as well...but it is boxing, all it takes is one shot. To say Charlo has no chance against them is naive. If you get hit by a shot you don't really see coming it doesn't matter how good your chin is.

Skills wise Charlo is pretty clearly behind all the other top guys at 160. I think he should maybe take a couple more tune ups and/or go after Andrade or Jacobs and try to get a belt that way. Those should be interesting fights. GGG likely controls him behind that jab and beats him up and probably KOs him. I don't think Charlo is ready for that one yet, or Canelo.

[Boxing-1013]

Charlos have done a good job convincing their fans they are good fighters and avoided. I didn’t see any Lions that night. Tony Harrison wasn’t intimidated and took the title and i thought the Korobov fight was very close. Charlo probably won a close decision, but that one card was way off, they made sure the second Charlo wasn’t going to lose a decision. Lions don’t want any part of GGG or Canelo with a full training camp and drug testing in place

Yeah good points....I think overshadowed in all of this controversy now is the twins missing those tests. With su****ions the last couple years of them using PEDs, missing those tests should be a red flag and should prompt some type of action against them (more testing/big fines/suspension etc).

I think the Charlos mainly got hyped up because they have an interesting storyline, and also a lot of people who look like them are desperate for someone to beat GGG. They think one of the Charlos proposes a threat to GGG and also can possibly KO him, as opposed to other good similar fighters like a Lara or Andrade who are better boxers than them but don't really have a chance at a sensational KO.

But yeah skills wise the hype just isn't really there right now unfortunately. 160 Charlo has only stepped up in competition twice - going 12 hard rounds with Trout at 154 and Korobov at 160. 154 Charlo has stepped up a few times, going 12 hard rounds with Rosado, Trout, Vanes, and Harrison.

I like Lubin so I give 154 Charlo credit for that win, but 154 Charlo was also getting schooled by John Jackson before he knocked him out late, so that wasn't really a good showing. They have basically shown that they are as good as those guys they have had tough fights with. No shame in that, but not really A level either.

[The D3vil]

Korobov wasn't robbed. He lost the fight. But we all agree the 119-108 scorecard was absolutely unfair and the judge should be barred from working a fight ever again.

This.

I had it 7-5 Charlo, personally

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Boxing is a farce. That scorecard was an utter disgrace, I feel sorry for the Russian.

[Bronx23]

Idk why Lederman gets so much hate...at least he is consistent and favors the more aggressive fighter who does more damage. That is how fights should be scored anyway

For a long time Ledderman did a pretty good job but during the last few years of his career he started slipping pretty bad. Some nights he did alright and some nights he was wayyy off. He wasn't necessarily wrong about who was winning or won the fight but his scores were usually just way too wide. Sometimes it was just plain silly.


I never gave him too much flack for it though because at the end of the day his score meant nothing anyways and like I said most of the time he had the right guy winning regardless of how ridiculous his score might have been

[Boxing-1013]

For a long time Ledderman did a pretty good job but during the last few years of his career he started slipping pretty bad. Some nights he did alright and some nights he was wayyy off. He wasn't necessarily wrong about who was winning or won the fight but his scores were usually just way too wide. Sometimes it was just plain silly.


I never gave him too much flack for it though because at the end of the day his score meant nothing anyways and like I said most of the time he had the right guy winning regardless of how ridiculous his score might have been

I hear ya...I don't have HBO so I have maybe only seen like 10 of his scores that I can recall, and I always thought he was getting it more or less right. But I'm sure he has some bad moments. I just feel like compared to the rest of the clear propaganda scorers and announcers on most networks (HBO included) , I feel like he at least seems pretty straightforward. I like how he tells you what he values and how he scores it (by the guy he thinks is doing the most damage).

Similar to you I feel like I've seen Lederman give clear rounds to the wrong guy before, but it's almost like he knows it and then gives the other guy the next round even if it was slightly the other way. Also to be honest, I think everyone else on HBO looks good to me compared to Max, I can't stand him.

[johnbook]

Boxing is a farce. That scorecard was an utter disgrace, I feel sorry for the Russian.

I agree with you, clear win for Kobolov.
It will be interesting to see what unfolds after this double corruption.

[Boxing Logic]

Why is that Youtube video disabled now?

I dont know. It got taken down. It was an in ring camera angle of the full Kovalev-Ward I fight. It showed the ref giving extra time to Ward to recover after being hurt. You know how they do it. Same happened in Wilder-Ortiz, they just used a different method. Same thing happened in a Bute fight in Canada, just different method. Meanwhile when Kovalev was hurt in the Ward rematch, the ref broke them as quick as possible to let Ward jump back inside before Kovalev could reassert distance and get himself to a safe angle.

It's a corrupt sport. This stuff doesnt happen over and over again by chance. What a coincidence that the same fighter the ref was protecting was also the one the judges gave the close decision to, all three. Just like most felt GGG won both fights vs Canelo, at minimum they were even, yet only 1 out of 6 judges in the two fights had GGG ahead, 1 even. In 2 fights most felt GGG won, the six judges cards were 4-1-1 in Canelo's favor. In a fight most felt Kovalev won, the judges were 3-0 in Ward's favor. In a fight most felt Gvozdyk was winning, one judge had Stevenson up 8-2, and overall they had Stevenson ahead. In a fight where Lomachenko won almost every round against Gary Russell Jr, one judge had it a draw, and 2 barely had Lomachenko winning. He won by SD in a fight he won almost every round. What if he had only won 8 of the 12 rounds? Would that have been enough? Or would we still be debating with biased fans on boxingscene to this day whether "Gary Russell Jr edged some of those swing rounds. Anything from 7-5 Russell to 9-3 Lomachenko are fair scores, so 7-5 Russell is fair, no robbery, Lomachenko is just a white hypejob." Thankfully he won every round otherwise we'd be dealing with that bull**** too.

In a fight where Korobov won at minimum 8 rounds, probably 9-10 is fair, vs Jermall Charlo, one judge, the father of the judge that PBC/Fox hired for their telecast, had Jermall Charlo winning 10-2.

It's very obvious the agenda going on. Foreign boxers, especially, seemingly, from the former soviet union, are not supposed to be beating these American stars on US soil, and they will never get credit for doing so unless they win every single round. Kovalev-Ward was just one of what turned out to be many prominent examples of this which would take place over the next couple years, so that's why I tried to highlight it with my signature, but the video got taken down and I havent gotten around to updating it yet.

[Boxing-1013]

I dont know. It got taken down. It was an in ring camera angle of the full Kovalev-Ward I fight. It showed the ref giving extra time to Ward to recover after being hurt. You know how they do it. Same happened in Wilder-Ortiz, they just used a different method. Same thing happened in a Bute fight in Canada, just different method. Meanwhile when Kovalev was hurt in the Ward rematch, the ref broke them as quick as possible to let Ward jump back inside before Kovalev could reassert distance and get himself to a safe angle.

It's a corrupt sport. This stuff doesnt happen over and over again by chance. What a coincidence that the same fighter the ref was protecting was also the one the judges gave the close decision to, all three. Just like most felt GGG won both fights vs Canelo, at minimum they were even, yet only 1 out of 6 judges in the two fights had GGG ahead, 1 even. In 2 fights most felt GGG won, the six judges cards were 4-1-1 in Canelo's favor. In a fight most felt Kovalev won, the judges were 3-0 in Ward's favor. In a fight most felt Gvozdyk was winning, one judge had Stevenson up 8-2, and overall they had Stevenson ahead. In a fight where Lomachenko won almost every round against Gary Russell Jr, one judge had it a draw, and 2 barely had Lomachenko winning. He won by SD in a fight he won almost every round. What if he had only won 8 of the 12 rounds? Would that have been enough? Or would we still be debating with biased fans on boxingscene to this day whether "Gary Russell Jr edged some of those swing rounds. Anything from 7-5 Russell to 9-3 Lomachenko are fair scores, so 7-5 Russell is fair, no robbery, Lomachenko is just a white hypejob." Thankfully he won every round otherwise we'd be dealing with that bull**** too.

In a fight where Korobov won at minimum 8 rounds, probably 9-10 is fair, vs Jermall Charlo, one judge, the father of the judge that PBC/Fox hired for their telecast, had Jermall Charlo winning 10-2.

It's very obvious the agenda going on. Foreign boxers, especially, seemingly, from the former soviet union, are not supposed to be beating these American stars on US soil, and they will never get credit for doing so unless they win every single round. Kovalev-Ward was just one of what turned out to be many prominent examples of this which would take place over the next couple years, so that's why I tried to highlight it with my signature, but the video got taken down and I havent gotten around to updating it yet.

Yeah I was looking forward to seeing the video. I think I saw it initially after the fight happened. A lot of times it seems like those compromising videos get taken down, when they show something that goes against the narrative they are trying to create.

I agree with almost everything you wrote. Only disagreements I would have were in Wilder Ortiz - I do think the ref was taking a few seconds before the round to make sure Wilder was OK. But only because in New York I know they are really strict about fight sports and almost don't even allow them anymore, because of what happens, for example, to that big Russian heavyweight a few years ago.

I personally didn't see anything wrong with the ref; ref was just doing his job, both to protect the fighter and also to protect the state from getting sued. I didn't think it was really anything extra from what I saw, I mean Wilder already had the minute rest between the round, what is a few extra seconds really gonna do at that point?

I like Loma a lot and didn't see the whole Russell fight, but I certainly saw a few close rounds. (not that I always agree with punch stats - but just a look at those says Loma lost one round 9-4 on punches, and won a couple more by small margins - 10-9;10-8). I've also seen some people insistent that Loma was way ahead against Linares at the time of the stoppage and I personally had it about even.

Loma is great but I think saying a guy clearly won 12 rounds, that pretty rarely happens, especially at the top level. Usually at least a few close ones in a 12 round fight, or one guy is so dominant he KOs the other guy before 12 rounds. I do agree though that most of the time (90% at least) there is one clear winner when a fight goes the distance.

For example in Ward Kov 1 - Kov pretty clearly was up about 5-1, and was closer to being up 6-0 than 4-2. Then the last 6 rounds were fairly even, with only 1 clear round, the 10th to Kov. Correct score was pretty clearly from 10-2 to 8-4 for Kov. 8-4 to Ward is how I scored it and I felt at the time I as being incredibly generous to him. To have such clear decisions go the other way, I hate it. It's even worse when some people, as you mentioned, make excuses for the robbery and pretend 'their guy' was justified in winning.

With Charlo/Korobov, I thought it was probably a 6-6 fight. I could see it shading slightly either way based on what you like. I am a little over the Charlo hype, considering their sudden power increase, and missed drug tests, and also every time they have stepped up to world level they have basically fought their opponent to a draw.

The 160 Charlo has literally only fought Trout and Korobov, to basically two draws, and some people still say GGG is overrated and has no resume, when he has 15 more decisive better wins compared to the 160 Charlo's two 'wins'...lol. I mean it is silly. Yes they are in their primes and GGG is getting older, so anything could happen. But to act as if they are in the same league as GGG as far as resume thus far is insane.


But yeah the ******ity of some fans and corrupt nature of some in the sport is disheartening but what can ya do.