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  • IronDanHamza
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    #11
    Hearn can spin it however he wants but he did not intend to have such a weak start.

    Bare in mind at the DAZN announcement he listed his target signings as Mikey Garcia, Charlo brothers, Wilder, Thurman, Porter, Broner, Tank Davis etc and he has failed to land any of them.

    Who's the best USA name he's signed? Either Andrade or Jessie Vargas.

    He better hope that AJ keeps winning.

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      #12
      Originally posted by KTFOKING
      DAZN is fine right now. All they will do is adjust their boxing budget and give majority of it to GBP if Matchroom USA can't improve their stable. Boxing in the long run won't be that important to DAZN, or at least not nearly as important as NFL or NBA or MLB.

      What i predicted almost a month ago when it was obvious Hearn's stable wasn't improving is that DAZN would make him have Joshua fight in the states once a year. They BADLY need Joshua vs Wilder, or to a lesser extent Fury but not sure if that will be possible. If they want it, they will have to pay a crazy license fee for it. I'm talking like $12-15 million. Will they do it if the fight takes place in the UK? I'd guess yes, but then we will see if Wilder's team will be fine with the fight not being on SHO.

      But I think at this point we should be expecting Joshua fighting in the states once a year and then once in the UK. It will start soon with Miller and then possibly Wilder in 2020 if they have a two fight deal.
      With Joshua he was always going to fight in America at some point. I have seen this before again and again. You take one or two gimme fights to introduce yourself before the bigger fights. With DAZN I think they are open to working with any promoter, so they are not limited to Matchroom or GBP, which I think is great.

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        #13
        Originally posted by _Rexy_
        Are those the matches? I just saw Miller vs TBA (I assumed wither Charr or Bryan since Hearn has been trying to get him that WBA regular strap) and it had Linares vs TBA. And this is set for MSG? I see it moving again.

        Oh, and Chris Algeri vs TBA. Can’t forget that one
        Yeah, that's the rumored fight. Miller vs Bryan, Andrade vs Akavov, and then Linares and Algieri would be on the card as well. What is crazy is Algieri is supposedly set to face Hooker on February 23rd so just five weeks after the January card. I actually like Algieri vs Hooker. But if he is set to face him then you know he isn't fighting anyone decent in January. I think Linares is fighting Cano? And then he will put Serrano on the card as well. He's pushing women's fighting pretty hard but not sure how that is picking up stateside.

        Hey, I'm not trying to sell you as a good card or anything because it isn't, but just saying he is essentially going to a gun fight with a knife lol.

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          #14
          Originally posted by _Rexy_
          Yeah, I honestly see them giving the keys to Oscar in two years. I think that if HBO folded six weeks earlier, DAZN would be a GBP app.
          Not just Oscar but other promoters too. It’s business afterall and if they feel like other promoters can do a better job for their app/platform then they would give the opportunity to someone else.

          Originally posted by KTFOKING
          DAZN is fine right now. All they will do is adjust their boxing budget and give majority of it to GBP if Matchroom USA can't improve their stable. Boxing in the long run won't be that important to DAZN, or at least not nearly as important as NFL or NBA or MLB.

          What i predicted almost a month ago when it was obvious Hearn's stable wasn't improving is that DAZN would make him have Joshua fight in the states once a year. They BADLY need Joshua vs Wilder, or to a lesser extent Fury but not sure if that will be possible. If they want it, they will have to pay a crazy license fee for it. I'm talking like $12-15 million. Will they do it if the fight takes place in the UK? I'd guess yes, but then we will see if Wilder's team will be fine with the fight not being on SHO.

          But I think at this point we should be expecting Joshua fighting in the states once a year and then once in the UK. It will start soon with Miller and then possibly Wilder in 2020 if they have a two fight deal.

          We shall see but from a fan point of view we can see the terrible cards from wayyyyyyyyyy over there. Like a terrible telegraph right hand to someone like Mayweather.

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            #15
            Originally posted by IronDanHamza
            Hearn can spin it however he wants but he did not intend to have such a weak start.

            Bare in mind at the DAZN announcement he listed his target signings as Mikey Garcia, Charlo brothers, Wilder, Thurman, Porter, Broner, Tank Davis etc and he has failed to land any of them.

            Who's the best USA name he's signed? Either Andrade or Jessie Vargas.

            He better hope that AJ keeps winning.
            His biggest American signing would probably be Miller. And I like Miller, but give him a challenge so we can gauge him better.

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              #16
              Originally posted by Ray*
              With Joshua he was always going to fight in America at some point. I have seen this before again and again. You take one or two gimme fights to introduce yourself before the bigger fights. With DAZN I think they are open to working with any promoter, so they are not limited to Matchroom or GBP, which I think is great.
              The problem is all the other talent in America is with TR and PBC and they have their own network deals. With so many dates to fill, neither side is going to be in a rush to send their guys to another network. Only time you will really see DAZN getting a PBC or TR fighter is if there is a purse bid and they win it. So I wouldn't be expecting Tank vs Farmer anytime soon.

              Hearn needs to get Bivol signed soon to set up a fight with Beterbiev in the near future, needs to get GGG for obvious reasons and sign the top elite US prospects. Not the BS he pulled the first time around with decent prospects that he sold as being great. Pacheco was a good start but there are so many good young Americans right now that he needs to lock up. Lorenzo Simpson is a potential future star with no big promoter, why is Hearn not offering him a big singing bonus and getting him signed? Jaron Ennis is a FORCE a future star and isn't with a big promoter yet he doesn't go after him. I don't know which talent evaluator Hearn was using, but he went about it the wrong way from the start.

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                #17
                Originally posted by _Rexy_
                Yeah, I honestly see them giving the keys to Oscar in two years. I think that if HBO folded six weeks earlier, DAZN would be a GBP app.
                I don't think so. The guys running DAZN are from London and have a very good relationship with Hearn. They have a personal relationship with him and he was their target from the beginning. Was that smart? Probably not, but they trust him and there is a reason Hearn is also the head guy for DAZN's ventures in Italy and other countries.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by _Rexy_
                  His biggest American signing would probably be Miller. And I like Miller, but give him a challenge so we can gauge him better.
                  Andrade is his best American fighter. Then it is guys like Vargas and Miller. But he did get a deal with Usyk which is great for us as we get to see all his fights. I still think if he signs the available young talent he could be fine in a few years when those guys pick up their level of competition and get on the big stage, but he needs to improve his stable ASAP. The GGG situation is so crucial for Hearn and DAZN. If they get him then he will be fine as then Jacobs is pretty much a lock to stay with him and presumably he will get the Canelo fight.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                    Hearn can spin it however he wants but he did not intend to have such a weak start.

                    Bare in mind at the DAZN announcement he listed his target signings as Mikey Garcia, Charlo brothers, Wilder, Thurman, Porter, Broner, Tank Davis etc and he has failed to land any of them.

                    Who's the best USA name he's signed? Either Andrade or Jessie Vargas.

                    He better hope that AJ keeps winning.
                    Without a question. That is where he went wrong and why he is getting so much backlash. You can't just bloat to the media of how much you have to play with and the fighters you are targeting and then not end up with any of them. Btw, I pretty much predicted all this damn near six months ago.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by KTFOKING
                      Without a question. That is where he went wrong and why he is getting so much backlash. You can't just bloat to the media of how much you have to play with and the fighters you are targeting and then not end up with any of them. Btw, I pretty much predicted all this damn near six months ago.

                      https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=786101
                      Yeah, it was an awful move and really polarized him IMO. Know what Americans don’t like? A ****y trust fund baby bragging to the news about how he’s going to come to America, do better than the Americans and how he has such deep pockets.

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