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Watched an interview the other day with AJ rambling on about how Lennox Lewis was the last Lineal champion, and how important it is to unify all the belts and claim that status for himself. He was then informed that Tyson Fury is actually the Lineal champion and he suddenly lost all interest in talking about that and put all the emphasis on being unified/fighting Wilder.
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C'mon. AJ is carrying Fury's belts around for him. AJ is like Geoffrey out of Fresh Prince of Bel Air. Wilder is also carrying a belt which by rights belongs to Tyson Fury. Fury totally embarrassed one man in his own country, and the other is so scared he won't even mention his name.Comment
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Its tit for tat though isn't it? It wasn't that long ago that Fury was saying that 'Joshua is going to be one for the future' when Joshua sparred Fury and Tyson was saying that he ****** him all over...now Fury is calling him a 'Dosser' and that he's 'babysitting his belts' so I think that we can all safely say that being a social media boxer means that you will say what suits them that week.
I think if you strip away all of the social media nonsense around the Joshua v Wilder fight, Joshua has been saying that all he wants is Wilder for close to 6 or 7 months now, maybe longer and there are now blurred lines between what Hearn says, what Joshua says and what the rest of the world say.
I don't think its rocket science as to why he wants Deontay. Wilder has the WBC, Joshua wants to be undisputed Champion and its more likely that Joshua beats Wilder than it is Joshua beats Fury. Surely, that we can agree on?Comment
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Its a no win situation to be fair, if he says he wants Fury then people will say he's ducking Wilder again. If he says he wants Wilder people will say he's going for the easier opponent etc.
I'm pretty sure he did say he is open to fight either next and would like to fight both eventuallyComment
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I’ll try to dissect this point by point so I don’t miss anything. I’ve noticed (both sides guilty) whenever someone posts a very long rebuttal, the part we want addressed always seems to be the one that is absent.
“Lol I swear I've seen you on hear arguing about the count and saying you have "take the belts from the champ". If I'm wrong I'm wrong.”
Yes and no. I never complained about the count, I actually said “it’s nwver been ten seconds, it’s a referees discretionary ten count so timing it doesn’t matter” though I did say I felt that neither guy had done enough to have a clear victory, so I’d like a rematch.
“Where did I rate the IBO and say lineal is a myth?”
That was a jab at AJ, not you. In a recent interview he basically said something about the Lineal not being a thing, but then mentioned his four world championships.
“I could downplay the current lineal status as it was not from a line where the undisputed Champ was defeated like it should be to actually be a lineal title and therefore not as prestigious as the more proper Lineal status Lewis retired with. I think Fury's perfomance against Wilder gives him more authority to be challenging AJ than his lineal status.”
The lineage was broken from Lennox, it’s happened one or two other times as well (Marciano’s retirement, Ali’s retirement) lineage has always meant most at heavyweight because it doesn’t get broken every time someone moves up, but it HAS been broken.
“Also AJ beat Klitschko as well, some say he was more game and a better version of Wlad that night, some say older but still a solid win over the same guy that's Fury's claim to fame.”
Yeah he beat Wlad. Some do say that, but I say they’re wrong. Obviously opinion and doesn’t make me right, but the way I see it...Fury did that to a Wlad. People say he exposed Wlad, he exposed Wilder, he exposed Chisora. No, Fury is just that good, it’s why Joshua shouldn’t lick his chops at wilder because If Wilder connects like Wlad did, he ain’t getting up.
“You act like the HW scene should have stood still whilst Fury was gone with his self inflicted coke induced depression. The fact is Fury left the throne to be taken and AJ did everything he needed an more to ensure he became the new King of the HW's now Fury is the challenger and has to dethrone AJ.“
Not at all, I expected the division to move on like it always does. But when the “king” returns, you still have to beat him. Fury is king Richard and AJ is just the thumb sucking prince until they fight.
12.5 mil would be a duck if that was a final offer but it was just the starting point, Wilder is responsible for negotiating it up if he wants the fight (doesn't seem so) and more money which he fails to do on every offer made, he's never had a meeting to negotiate what he wants or given his price apart from his 50/50 or no deal so thats Wilders own fault.”
I hate the negotiation talk, and I hate that fans argue over it now. I hate that people chose promoters sides now. I do know that wilder didn’t say 50/50 though until after AJ signed the Povetkin fight. He said along the lines of “because you wasted our time it’s 50/50 now or no fight” which I undwrstand in anger. That said, I did always feel that 65/35 would get the deal done. That’s what they gave Parker, so to not offer that to Wilder is an insult.
But again, I hate the contract talkLast edited by _Rexy_; 12-17-2018, 07:36 AM.Comment
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Tyson Fury was out of the ring for a few years, for several reasons. He could still be classed as in the prime of his boxing life. Lennox Lewis was an old man and had clearly been retired five years before Wladimir Klitschko won the vacant Lineal title. What AJ did is win a round-robin to collect all of Tyson Fury's vacated belts. He's never, ever beat an established champion.Comment
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Fury never defended them and could well have lost them in a rematch with Wlad diminishing his claim to them further.
AJ came in and took over very fast, faster than most HW champs have ever done beating the same guy Fury did (better or worse is a whole other can of worms) and taking the fight's to ensure was the new top guy . He wasn't employed by Fury to keep the seat warm he forced his way into it so Fury can't expect be no.1 on return. IMO AJ's done enough to cement himself as a No.1 that can't be contested without fighting him.
If Fury has the goods and fights him, he'll beat him and then be No.1 . AJ has said Fury can get it in April if he wants and that he knocks out both guys so he aint afraid.Comment
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