Canelo really exposed GGG as being the biggest fraud in boxing.

[DreamFighter]

I honestly can't tell whether folk are actually trolling or actually genuinely believe some of the nonsense they put out there. How is any 35 or 36 year old athlete in any sport still in their prime? Typically I'd say fighters reach their prime around 28 - 32 at MW, perhaps a touch older as the weights increase and a touch younger for the small guys. At these ages the body may be just past it's peak physically but this is balanced by maturity and experienced gained in the ring. Past this age there is an inevitable physical decline and slowing of the reflexes that outweighs the benefits of additional experience.

There might be rare exceptions - especially in guys who come to the sport late, or prodigies who burn out early, but assuming a relatively normal trajectory and good health in a guy who started boxing (like most) in their early teens 28 - 32 is a good ballpark for the prime years.

and yet GGG chose to face his first elite, his first real threat at that age. Whose fault is it that he hadnt by 35 ended his career with some top wins? Its always about everyone else...but the truth is he needed to buck up his ideas when he was in his absolute prime instead of koing the bum club.

This recent culture of blaming others for your own misfortunes stinks!

[Citizen Koba]

Nelo 54 fights in 379 rds
GGG 40 and 196

To add, Nelos resume pretty much crushes GGG's. so those 54 fights should have, by you own theory, depleted Nelo more than GGG's 40 fights.

Let me guess....If GGG fights some Fielding level guy his next fight and looks like a guy in his 20's, what does that say about him being post prime ?

The less wear and tear a guy goes through during ACTUAL FIGHTS is key. Had GGG never fought above Lemmy level opponents, he could have fought well into his 40's.

New rule, guys cant fight each other unless they are no more than 3 years apart in actual age.

Training takes it's toll too, and amateur fights. How many amateur rounds did Golovkin put in, you reckon? Thousand or more probably, often at a much higher intensity (over the 3 round fights) and level than his pro fights. We can debate whether amateur rounds take as great a toll as pro rounds - and there's arguments for both sides - but whichever way you cut it that's a lot of wear and tear.

Whichever way you cut it, whilst probably any high level fighter can still be competitive against lower tier guys (and elites like Floyd or Pac still beat world level guys) well into their late 30s they're never going to be as good in absolute terms as they were at 28 or 30 or 32.

[Citizen Koba]

and yet GGG chose to face his first elite, his first real threat at that age. Whose fault is it that he hadnt by 35 ended his career with some top wins? Its always about everyone else...but the truth is he needed to buck up his ideas when he was in his absolute prime instead of koing the bum club.

This recent culture of blaming others for your own misfortunes stinks!

That's the key word. 'Chose'. I've spent time explaining how things just didn't fall into place for Golovkin -yet you just still saying he was 'lucky'. Why does it have to be anybodies fault? I ain't blaming anyone for that **** (cept maybe the WBA), but yet sometimes the chips just don't fall for a guy. Dude's only real 'luck' was getting picked up by HBO looking for a big KO artist who could be had on the cheap, but even that was a mixed blessing cos they no longer had the funds to entice the big names to fight him, so his hype ran way ahead of his actual opposition (though to say guys like Macklin or Murray - or indeed any top 10 guy in any division - are 'bums' is just plain ignorant).

Maybe you're right. Maybe if he had have got the fights that he tried to get (Sturm, N'dam, Pirog, Martinez, Cotto, Chavez Jr, Froch) but fell through for whatever reason he would have got beat early and we wouldn't even be talking about him... but to say he 'chose' that **** is the false narrative I've been talking about and is demonstrably wrong. I'm not trying to argue Golovkin's qualities as a fighter, here - folk can make their own mind up on that - merely to challenge the assertion that his relatively poor resume was a matter of design rather than circumstances.

[Bjl12]

and yet GGG chose to face his first elite, his first real threat at that age. Whose fault is it that he hadnt by 35 ended his career with some top wins? Its always about everyone else...but the truth is he needed to buck up his ideas when he was in his absolute prime instead of koing the bum club.

This recent culture of blaming others for your own misfortunes stinks!

This is the Donald Trump way

WHITE POWER

[DreamFighter]

That's the key word. 'Chose'. I've spent time explaining how things just didn't fall into place for Golovkin

you've sent time trying to pretend that a guy given two titles outside the ring had it tough! ha rubbish.
any fighter in the world would think that that whole eight planets had aligned for them to be given 2 titles without throwing a punch.
You tihnk thats the product of hard luck - you are a joke if you tihnk it.

The guy was gifted the weakest titlist in recent memory for his first title shot, David Lemieux. Thats why he waited till he was 33 for it, so he could capitalise on someone who was mediocre...AGAIN.

At 33 Marvin Hagler had his feet up retired having had a over half a decade as the man at MW...at the same age GGG entered the ring for HIS FIRST title shot. HAGLER had it HARDER than anyone!

[Citizen Koba]

you've sent time trying to pretend that a guy given two titles outside the ring had it tough! ha rubbish.
any fighter in the world would think that that whole eight planets had aligned for them to be given 2 titles without throwing a punch.
You tihnk thats the product of hard luck - you are a joke if you tihnk it.

The guy was gifted the weakest titlist in recent memory for his first title shot, David Lemieux. Thats why he waited till he was 33 for it, so he could capitalise on someone who was mediocre...AGAIN.

At 33 Marvin Hagler had his feet up retired having had a over half a decade as the man at MW...at the same age GGG entered the ring for HIS FIRST title shot. HAGLER had it HARDER than anyone!

Same old, same old, man. I don't think you're even listening to yourself. My case was that his poor resume was principally a result of unfortunate circumstances and to refute that you quote cases of him missing out on good fights as good luck. Do you see the problem there? Anyways. You ain't responding to my points in any rational manner, or even I suspect, reading most of what I write - just looking for an opportunity to repeat the same mantra over and over. You've proved your hypocrisy elsewhere so I think it's clear I'm wasting my time here.

TBH I ain't even sure what point you're trying to argue, cos what I'm saying in more general terms is essentially obvious to anyone - that guys with major promotions and with more money behind them and a built in fanbase get more opportunities to shine. also that a vindictive promoter can really fuck up a guys career too, I guess, FWIW.

Thing is you can see guys like Spence or Bud - sometimes taking a coupla years to get big fights and that's with the biggest and most influential promoters in the game (with deep pockets and deep stables) in divisions laden with talent and probably only getting one two 'elite' fights over their entire career, yet somehow it's a surprise when a 'Mr 97k' in a division with little US presence between 2012 and 2017 who wasn't even on anyone's radar til 2013/4 doesn't land a major fight til 2017. Gotta be because he planned it that way though!

Seriously? You think any pro fighter plans their career to miss out on the most prestigeous fights and the biggest financial opportunities till they're 35 damn years old?

Anyways. Like I say, waste of time. I know I ain't gonna get a rational response outta you.

[Curtis Harper]

Training takes it's toll too, and amateur fights. How many amateur rounds did Golovkin put in, you reckon? Thousand or more probably, often at a much higher intensity (over the 3 round fights) and level than his pro fights. We can debate whether amateur rounds take as great a toll as pro rounds - and there's arguments for both sides - but whichever way you cut it that's a lot of wear and tear.

Whichever way you cut it, whilst probably any high level fighter can still be competitive against lower tier guys (and elites like Floyd or Pac still beat world level guys) well into their late 30s they're never going to be as good in absolute terms as they were at 28 or 30 or 32.

2 assumptions can be made about guys train and how rigorous they are with it....

1) They all train hard as hell for every fight
IE - the fighter lives to fight and doesnt cut corners in camp
2) They train according to the level of danger
IE - will be in beast mode vs a top guy but not so much vs a tune up.

Looking at both guys resumes, i cant see Nelo having as many worry free camps as GGG would have.

Further, if we are going by the 'wear and tear a fighter goes through' idea, Nelo should have been burnt out by now or at least appear to be older than his real age would suggest.

The real age is dated in the ring. Its unlike any other aging process among pro athletes. In team sports, a guy can slack off and hide within the team or call out sick. Or not even absorb the punishment a boxer might.

The notion that because GGG is older in actual years than Nelo is a reason for GGG less than spectacular performances, Im going to have to say ''nah''. GENERALLY SPEAKING, one doesnt age according to his opponent. They only get exposed by them.

If GGG had more fights and more rds than Nelo and was older as well, then I'd accept the excuse to be legit. Again, once GGG fights a Lemmy level guy, he will once again look like a guy in his mid 20's.

[DreamFighter]

Same old, same old, man. I don't think you're even listening to yourself. My case was that his poor resume was principally a result of unfortunate circumstances and to refute that you quote cases of him missing out on good fights as good luck. Do you see the problem there? Anyways. You ain't responding to my points in any rational manner, or even I suspect, reading most of what I write - just looking for an opportunity to repeat the same mantra over and over. You've proved your hypocrisy elsewhere so I think it's clear I'm wasting my time here.

TBH I ain't even sure what point you're trying to argue, cos what I'm saying in more general terms is essentially obvious to anyone - that guys with major promotions and with more money behind them and a built in fanbase get more opportunities to shine. also that a vindictive promoter can really fuck up a guys career too, I guess, FWIW.

yeh GGGs career really fcuked up him being handed 2 titles for nothing! If i had a promotor like that thenI'd have 2 world titles! what a horrible promotor...

Thing is you can see guys like Spence or Bud

bud and spence who won first titles at 26? no relevance to comparing to GGG at 33.
You write rubbish - they didnt take till 33!

- sometimes taking a coupla years to get big fights and that's with the biggest and most influential promoters in the game (with deep pockets and deep stables) in divisions laden with talent and probably only getting one two 'elite' fights over their entire career

GGG has had three world class MWs his WHOLE career, and he lost to one.

Seriously? You think any pro fighter plans their career to miss out on the most prestigeous fights and the biggest financial opportunities till they're 35

they've all done it by then if they are successful. They are considered extremely late in day if leaving it till 35.

[Citizen Koba]

2 assumptions can be made about guys train and how rigorous they are with it....

1) They all train hard as hell for every fight
IE - the fighter lives to fight and doesnt cut corners in camp
2) They train according to the level of danger
IE - will be in beast mode vs a top guy but not so much vs a tune up.

Looking at both guys resumes, i cant see Nelo having as many worry free camps as GGG would have.

Further, if we are going by the 'wear and tear a fighter goes through' idea, Nelo should have been burnt out by now or at least appear to be older than his real age would suggest.

The real age is dated in the ring. Its unlike any other aging process among pro athletes. In team sports, a guy can slack off and hide within the team or call out sick. Or not even absorb the punishment a boxer might.

The notion that because GGG is older in actual years than Nelo is a reason for GGG less than spectacular performances, Im going to have to say ''nah''. GENERALLY SPEAKING, one doesnt age according to his opponent. They only get exposed by them.

If GGG had more fights and more rds than Nelo and was older as well, then I'd accept the excuse to be legit. Again, once GGG fights a Lemmy level guy, he will once again look like a guy in his mid 20's.

I can't say that one camp is heavier or more intense than another -it's possiblre you're right and Canelo's were somehow heavier or more grueling or whatever, but in the absence of real evidence I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that GGGs 40 odd camps are that much less strenuous than Canelos 50ish... but what you fail to address is the 100s of amateur fights and the associated training that Golovkin did before his pro career even started. That's something like a thousand rounds of competitive boxing (much of it at both a higher level and at a higher intensity than his professional rounds) and thousands more of training and sparring.

Anyways, man. Can't help but think you're reaching - the only argument I'm making is that rationally a 35 year old fighter is worse than the same fighter was when he was 30 or 32... I don't know. Perhaps there are exceptions, but reason dictates you'd have to prove the common sense answer is wrong rather than vice versa. Do you go claiming that other fighters are as dangerous at 35 as they are at 30?

[thecomedian2]

Can you name a bigger fraud in the last 20 years? Because I cant

• "154-168 EZFOMI" Still hasn't fought at those weights
• It turns out Mexican Style was bullsht. Canelo exposed that big time. GGG is just a culture vulture
• He was being "ducked" But ducked ward when he had the chance to fight him. What happened to 168 mr gee?
• Fought brook after criticizing canelo for fighting khan
• Called canelo a business man not a boxer but then said a lara fight didnt make sense. Now is using that excuse for charlo as well.

fck his fans

I agree, his Fanboys are even more ******ed than Pac.Turds