Comments Thread For: Hearn: If Wilder Doesn't Want Joshua - Nothing We Can Do

[Scipio2009]

Here you go champ.

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/s...d.php?t=794369

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/bo...ght-Tyson-Fury

^$20m guarantee

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...es-eddie-hearn

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxin...split-13466847

^Eddie Hearn reveals 65-35 is fair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUZE-vC8icA

So to summarize:

Wilder has a $20m minimum guarantee or 35%.

A 2 way rematch clause.

A date and a venue

That good enough for you? What mental gymnastics are you going to perform to pretend this isn't true?

The split may have even improved after the Fury fight, who knows.

From the guardian article:

"When you want to buy a car that is 30 grand and you offer 20, the bloke doesn’t walk off, he has a chat. It is really frustrating. It puts a Wilder fight on April 13 in jeopardy because we will wait to December 1 but we need to be in a position where we are close."

Again, why would Eddie Hearn say such a thing if the money, insinuate by outside parties and never actually confirmed in any of the sources by Eddie or Barry Hearn, was actually $20m?

We know that the venue is Wembley, and the date is April 13th. We can even concede that the percentage on the paper may actually be 35% (don't hold your breath though).

Joshua-Klitschko split £30m between the two of them (@$1.4 to the £, that's $42m, plus their personal sponsors) and that was the most financially successful boxing event to ever hit the UK.

Were Joshua-Wilder to match the take on the most financially successful fight in the history of the UK, Wilder's alleged $20m guaranteed would have him take 48% of the take, lol. In other words, you ****ed up.

For $20m to actually be 35% of the take, the event would need to clear $58m. The record draw at Wembley, the record draw on Sky Box Office, the €4m fee from Germany, the $3m from the US, however much from Russia/merch/sponsors, etc.... and then find another $15m/£10.7m to put on top of that, lol.

[Fanofreason]

good positive post !

I feel that the problem is not whether that fight can/will get any bigger..... it probably could..... I am not convinced that the anticipation for that fight has truly peaked as yet..... truth be told, the anticipation for that fight only started recently..... in the last 12 months or so

the problem is..... whether the anticipation for that fight can/will get any smaller

they are making serious BANK !!

the UK is all about the gate, not PPV..... and Joshua packs out Wembley..... their train is rolling along nicely

put it this way..... from THEIR perspective, it can only go downhill from here..... they are all about maintaining/milking their asset..... which is perfectly understandable

we can see from their earlier dealings with Wilder that they have not been serious about making that fight..... the ONLY question is, are they serious now?

if I was them, I would not be interested in Wilder..... or even Fury, at this point..... because.....

1) they are making BANK !!
2) they will keep making bank, so long as there are no problems
3) actions speak louder than words, and they have never tabled a serious offer for Wilder..... Hearn has never said/done anything to indicate that he is serious about making that fight..... because a serious offer for Wilder would start at 32.5% (minimum)..... and that has not happened
4) not only has the anticipation for that fight likely not peaked as yet..... the questions over Joshua avoiding Wilder have had no noticeable negative effect at this point..... the train can roll along nicely for 1, 2, maybe even 3 more fights

I would like to be as positive as you..... but like I say, actions speak louder than words..... and we have not seen any action from Fast Eddie at this point, just words

but yea, good post bro, I hope you are right

Lol UK gate.

Usa is all about arena sponsorship and advertising dollars.

Wilder fury got 11.3 Million in advertising and sponsors. That add in the gate to that.

UK fans don't know business.

[N/A]

I seem to remember you writing that you wanted boxers and promoters to build the sport, not cash out.

Post the link.

What I want and what is reality are two different things. Hearn claiming there's nothing he can do is ridiculous. There's plenty he can do.

[N/A]

You know Haymon can make another offer right?

The 50 million offer is still on the table. It was never taken off the table. There's no need to make another offer.

1# Why fight in the land of the robberies?

Look at the Joshua vs Povetkin scoring and then tell me who the real land of the robbers is? Wilder/Fury was ruled a draw, which was a very common score among top experts. Neutral officials were allowed for Wilder/Fury. How many Joshua fights have neutral officials?

2# Why fight on a network that will guarantee less money than another? If Showtime outbid DAZN they will have it.

Wrong. Hearn only wants the fight on DAZN, even if Showtime bids more. That's one of the deal breakers. The fight would do massive business on US PPV and Hearn is insisting on the fight generating so much less, that Wilder can now make more money in a Fury rematch than he'd make fighting Joshua in the UK.

[rolshans]

Post the link.

What I want and what is reality are two different things. Hearn claiming there's nothing he can do is ridiculous. There's plenty he can do.

A bit of a cop-out to say that that's what Hearn can do. There are a million things he can do to make the fight. When someone says "there's nothing I can do," we'd be disingenuous to be literalists in our interpretation. It'd be far better to talk about what he *should* do.

Not sure how to link, but here are some of your quotes (which I agree with 100%, btw):

"Boxing has always had a fundamental problem. The fighter has no incentive to care about the future of the sport.

The Super Bowl would make way more money on PPV, but if you put it on PPV, slowly, over time, you'd lose a lot of fans and in the end, the league would be worth less eventually.

But boxers have no reason to care about the future the way NFL owners do."

"I would as well [want the PPV industry to die] and I've advocated repeatedly for fans to refuse to buy PPV so that it'll go away."

[Real King Kong]

Wilder has unfinished business with fury at hand...the winner of that can face Joshua. At this point I’d rather see fury vs aj over wilder vs aj, cuz fury has the best case for being the winner. Who tf wants to see aj fight the guy who just lost in most people’s eyes?

[Illmatic94]

Eddie ***** and the bodybuilder are no longer relevant.

[Prent12]

Bad comments and commentary

Wilder was fobbed he clearly knocked out Fury. The biased commentary was pro fury. Some of those rounds were to close to call . Turn off the Volume and watch the fight

[fullers]

You're choosing to believe one side of the story. You could choose to believe Hearn who said that they asked for a contract and got nothing. Hearn then sent a contract and it never got signed.

My opinion is that they're all full of ****. If they want this fight they'll get it made - the pie is big enough. They'll both earn far more than their biggest payday. Not for one second do I think either fighter is too scared.

Wouldn't it be great if the Alphabets could so something for the good of the sport and force the issue?

I genuinely don't believe anything that hearn says. I think the less he is involved in boxing the better fights will get made when they are still relevant. I feel him and his dad are milking aj for every penny before they put him in with a really live opponent

[Noelanthony]

Lol UK gate.

Usa is all about arena sponsorship and advertising dollars.

Wilder fury got 11.3 Million in advertising and sponsors. That add in the gate to that.

UK fans don't know business.

Yet each fighter was paid how much exactly?