Comments Thread For: Hearn: Wilder-Fury PPV Number is Terrible, Absolutely Terrible

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Heavyweight is presently not the big deal in boxing due to the scarcity of world class fighters. Right now the glamour divisions are the lighter weight classes, especially Welterweight.

The lower weights are the glamour divisions in the US, not the UK. AJ is the one who sells the most tickets and PPV. If that isn't enough to convince you, then nothing will.

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I disagree with you and here's why: Wilder fans will buy based on hoping Deontay somehow is better at not telegraphing his punches. The already know he can hurt Fury and that just a few more well connected shots would definitely end the fight by KO. On the other hand Fury fans buy the fight knowing that Fury can outbox Wilder and they will believe he will not make the same mistakes he did in the first fight. They will also feel that the judges will be fairer in the rematch. So there will be a lot of anticipation and intrigue for the rematch.

Why would anyone consider the judges to be fairer in the rematch with all of the corruption in the US? Were they fairer in the Kovalev and Golovkin rematches? No, they weren't. This will end up the same if it goes to the cards again. Nothing will stand in their way of Wilder making more money down the road with Joshua once he's found his balls.

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If Wilder defeats Fury in the rematch or it is close again, why can't the Joshua/Wilder fight still happen? The Fury, Wilder rematch isn't the end is it?

I'm talking about how many Brits buy the PPV. After what Fury did to Wilder the interest has gone well down. Wilder is no longer seen as a big threat to Joshua. The casuals won't be as interested as they were before.

And if Fury beats Wilder again? Even less people will give a **** about Joshua/Wilder. They will all want the fight that matters against Fury. Not some overhyped nobody with zero boxing skills.

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You could if US PPVs were all that need to be considered. Of course you would have to leave out live gate and non-US PPVS.

The gate did about 3.5 Mill. We don't know how many buys BT Sport got. But I don't anticipate them to be great.

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I only here two Joshualites providing those offer details. You and Kezzer. Still waiting on a source for that "rumor". Until that rumor is substantiated, no one should be bringing it up or commenting on it like its fact.

Go and search on YT. Hearn says what the new offer is.

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First of all, the concept that the breakeven point was 250K buys is just rumor and speculation. There is no solid source for that point.

But assuming it's accurate - you guys don't understand the concept of "breaking even." Let's say the promoter guaranteed each fighter $12M. So the promoter needs to recoup $24M, plus its other event costs, in order to break even. So assuming the UK PPV did a certain amount and the gate did a certain amount, etc., then the promoter may have needed 250,000 US buys in order to break even.

The promoter's breakeven level is entirely dependent on what guarantees and expenses he paid out. If the promoter didn't guarantee the fighters anything, then the "breakeven" would have been 10,000 US buys.

And even if the PPV did 2,000 buys, if the promoter guaranteed each fighter $10M or $12M, then the fighters are going to get paid regardless.

So the concept of "breakeven" isn't really correlated with how much money the fighters get. The fight could fail to reach breakeven but the fighters could still get a lot of money.

But we know Wilder was guaranteed 4 Mill, and Fury 3 Mill. Don't know where you're getting 10-12 Mill from.

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Nope, sorry I will be playing "ignorant" with you if folks thought this fight was going to be bigger than Canelo/GGG II. Please point me to those folks that said such blasphemy.

You need to keep a closer eye of the forums then. It was chock full of loons saying this nonsense.

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Credible source?

Meaning something other than Eddie said so, since we all know Eddie says whatever is convenient.

Best verified offer I've heard that Hearn made is $15M.

Everything Eddie says is a lie now? How convenient.

Finkle won't come out and tell everyone what Hearn offered because he knows that will expose them. And why would they do that after trying to smear Hearn and AJ for months? They're trying to win the PR. They won't let the truth get in the way. Trust me.

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You struggle to read don't you? I said IF Wilder beats Fury in a rematch in a PPV that will do mega numbers in Wilder style, then yes he becomes a megastar and yes he fights the rest of his career on PVP.

Exposed in having no skill? Yet a few sentences later you say bums have won rounds against him. Huh? So what is it? What exactly was exposed of him if you admit we saw "bums" win rounds against him? His "hype" comes from his power which was proven true against Fury.

I will agree his excuses are extremely weak and unnecessary. But his name is certainly not being seen in a negative light, especially stateside. Every radio station/sports show he goes to all people talk about is how good the fight was and that they can't wait for the rematch.

What did I struggle to read? You said Wilder will be a mega star if he beats Fury in the rematch. I laughed at that. So I think it's you who struggles to read.

Yeah, but the Americans made all the excuses in the world for Wilder before. Can't do that this time. He's been well and truly exposed. Nothing is going to convince anyone otherwise. No matter the excuses.

Go and read all the YT comments on Wilder after the fight. Everyone is laughing at him and his ever growing list of excuses. Not many people have anything positive to say about him. And why would they, the dude is a straight clown. He even makes Khan look good. You know you've ****ed up when you're capable of doing that.

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So if Spence/Crawford fight each other, a match up of two top 10 P4P fighters and to some two top 5 P4P fighters, that alone should be enough to make that into a mega fight right? I mean two elite fighters fighting against each other and they both happen to be Americans?? Is that the blueprint right there? If they fight they will easily do over a million buys because they check every box right?

Sorry, but being American doesn't give you a better chance of selling PPVs. You said it yourself, those fighters had opponents, in particular DLH for both Mayweather/Pacquiao. Without DLH, they were just doing Wilder/Fury numbers. And then Canelo had Mayweather while Cotto had both Mayweather/Pacquiao. So yeah, there goes your theory. Now, Wilder seems to have THE opponent to breakthrough with the rematch. Fury had a star making performance inside the ring and then post-fight. Hence, the PPV is going to be a huge mega event.

For Spence and Crawford to do well on PPV they would have to beat a strong list of good fighters to build their fight up. But with both fighting bums all the time, the interest just isn't there.