Comments Thread For: Hearn: Wilder-Fury PPV Number is Terrible, Absolutely Terrible

[Sid-Knee]

Obviously they arent. Therefore none have been sold

That's not what you meant though. Maybe say things that aren't a load of bull**** next time. There's far too much of that already on this cesspit of a forum.

[Ake-Dawg]

You do know Hearn has offered a 20 mill guarantee or a 35% cut of the money, which ever he thinks is more, don't you?

I only here two Joshualites providing those offer details. You and Kezzer. Still waiting on a source for that "rumor". Until that rumor is substantiated, no one should be bringing it up or commenting on it like its fact.

[Sid-Knee]

$18m would've made the fight in September, if folks are honest about it; that number has gone up to at least $20m now

Hearn is offering 20 Mill or a cut of 35%. Which ever he thinks is the most. But Wilder still doesn't want it.

Don't worry, Deontay will just keep on upping his price to make sure the fight never happens. Just like he's always done.

[KING5TWENTY]

This fight had a lot of buzz after in the US. Second fight will do triple in the US

[Sid-Knee]

I’m with Hearn. If he offered wilder a flat fee of 15 mil and he made 14 mil from this fight how is that not terrible? In his own words he made crackhead money.

The hypocrites don't want to address this. They're just avoiding it altogether.

And I don't think Wilder even made this much. The number don't add up. If they were breaking even on 250,000 buys after giving Wilder a guarantee of 4 Mill, and Fury 3 Mill, the rest of the buys aren't going to make both much more than that.

[BennyBlanco]

They were terrible figures. The american heavyweight champ drew in a quarter of what two non american middleweights did.

American champ in his first PPV against a foreign fighter who had fought in the U.S. once did better than Ward-Kovalev I and III...

Did better than Crawford's PPV debut...

Did better than GGG's PPV debut...

Did better than GGG vs. Danny Jacobs...

Did the same as Canelo's PPV debut.

Nothing to be ashamed of. Comparing Wilder vs. Fury, both making their US PPV debuts, with Canelo-Golovkin, who have appeared on PPV more than a dozen times between them, is ridiculous.

[Sid-Knee]

He mad he can't low ball offer them cats anymore.

But Wilder made less in a fight Wilder called bigger than the Joshua fight? But you still want to call it a lowball offer? Haha.

By the way, Hearn is offering 20 Mill or a 35% cut. That's the new offer that Wilder and co are running from.

[Sid-Knee]

You are speaking quite gibberish now. You are not making an ounce of sense. Repeat that question over and over again until you can correct it. Then you can come to me correct.

Bloke, the purses are negotiated and predetermined before the rematch ever commences. A fighter already knows what his guarantee is before he even steps into the ring and that's not including the percentage of what the particular fight sells.

You of all people have no right to claim someone isn't making any sense. You're the king of not making any sense.

[Sid-Knee]

So what are you saying? That Fury is more popular than Joshua? Perhaps he is after all Wilder has made his first eight figure payday with Tyson Fury.

Wilder and Fury are laughing at Hearn and Joshua all the way to the bank because they deliver the best fights that are available to the public while Joshua recycles and feasts on some of his past leftovers.

I'm saying Wilder needs a dance partner to make this kind of money. Without one, Wilder goes back to making peanuts.

Wilder made less money for a fight he considered bigger than a Joshua fight than the "Crackhead" offer of 15 Mill from Hearn. Why is Wilder taking less money to fight Fury, hey? He said it was the bigger fight? All this bull**** is catching up to Wilder and his demented fans.

[BennyBlanco]

The hypocrites don't want to address this. They're just avoiding it altogether.

And I don't think Wilder even made this much. The number don't add up. If they were breaking even on 250,000 buys after giving Wilder a guarantee of 4 Mill, and Fury 3 Mill, the rest of the buys aren't going to make both much more than that.

First of all, the concept that the breakeven point was 250K buys is just rumor and speculation. There is no solid source for that point.

But assuming it's accurate - you guys don't understand the concept of "breaking even." Let's say the promoter guaranteed each fighter $12M. So the promoter needs to recoup $24M, plus its other event costs, in order to break even. So assuming the UK PPV did a certain amount and the gate did a certain amount, etc., then the promoter may have needed 250,000 US buys in order to break even.

The promoter's breakeven level is entirely dependent on what guarantees and expenses he paid out. If the promoter didn't guarantee the fighters anything, then the "breakeven" would have been 10,000 US buys.

And even if the PPV did 2,000 buys, if the promoter guaranteed each fighter $10M or $12M, then the fighters are going to get paid regardless.

So the concept of "breakeven" isn't really correlated with how much money the fighters get. The fight could fail to reach breakeven but the fighters could still get a lot of money.