Is Ben Davison getting too much credit?

[NearHypnos]

I somewhat disagree, I don’t think Fury was in all that great shape, the reason Wilder had success was Fury began to gas after 8 rounds, he was in much better physical condition against Klitschko.
I think Davison deserves huge credit for aiding Fury’s recovery from being a unhealthily obese man into someone who became re-motivated and re-focused enough to become the best HW in the world once again.
But he didn’t really add anything to Fury as a fighter.

You dont think fury was in that great of shape? Are you serious?

You’re comparing him to the Klitschko fight?

Fury threw a bit more punches but he had to get off the deck twice. He also had to deal with someone who threw nearly twice as many more punches than Wlad did.

Not only that...wasnt Fury roiding back then?

Not only that but that was PRE his issues.

Fury had more in the tank than Wilder despite being MUCH bigger.

Honestly, I dont know how you can sit there with a straight face and say Fury wasnt in that great a shape.


Compared to a 135 pounder, sure.

But a 6’9 giant? Saying he wasnt in great shape is bordering on delusional and in some form of denial. I mean no offense by it but if you cant (or wont) tell someones fitness with it hitting you in the face, then there’s nothing anyone can really tell you that will convince you.


Instead of asking us why dont you tell us what his trainer could do better or what his trainer SHOULD do. What is it a trainer should be teaching Fury for you to say hes a good trainer?

[that g]

What exactly did Davison add to Tyson Fury as a fighter then?

It sounds like you don’t know what you’re talking about...

yea. i don't think it's me who doesn't know what he's talking about. without davidson doing a great job, fury would have been knocked down a lot more than twice in that fight, possibly knocked out. the second knockdown came specifically because fury went against his trainer's instructions, despite being the better boxer.

in the same vein, wilder could have done much better if he had better trainers in his corner. wilder's coaching is trash. by themselves, they remove about 40% of wilder's true possible boxing ability.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

yea. i don't think it's me who doesn't know what he's talking about. without davidson doing a great job, fury would have been knocked down a lot more than twice in that fight, possibly knocked out. the second knockdown came specifically because fury went against his trainer's instructions, despite being the better boxer.

in the same vein, wilder could have done much better if he had better trainers in his corner. wilder's coaching is trash. by themselves, they remove about 40% of wilder's true possible boxing ability.

On what evidence???
And again what did Davison add to Fury as a fighter?

And now you’re questioning people such as Mark Breland’s knowledge of boxing.

You’re an idiot, DKSAB...

[EasternEuroFan]

If he's a great trainer in general and could develop a fighter from the ground up remains to be seen

But he has been great for Fury, even if that mostly means keeping him motivated, interested and been with him through the process of getting all that weight off. Keeping Fury motivated and wanting to train is a huge part of the battle.

He deserves a lot of credit for that. Whether he's a great trainer at this point it irrelevant. He's great for Fury at this stage.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

You dont think fury was in that great of shape? Are you serious?

You’re comparing him to the Klitschko fight?

Fury threw a bit more punches but he had to get off the deck twice. He also had to deal with someone who threw nearly twice as many more punches than Wlad did.

Not only that...wasnt Fury roiding back then?

Not only that but that was PRE his issues.

Fury had more in the tank than Wilder despite being MUCH bigger.

Honestly, I dont know how you can sit there with a straight face and say Fury wasnt in that great a shape.


Compared to a 135 pounder, sure.

But a 6’9 giant? Saying he wasnt in great shape is bordering on delusional and in some form of denial. I mean no offense by it but if you cant (or wont) tell someones fitness with it hitting you in the face, then there’s nothing anyone can really tell you that will convince you.


Instead of asking us why dont you tell us what his trainer could do better or what his trainer SHOULD do. What is it a trainer should be teaching Fury for you to say hes a good trainer?

He wasn’t in that great of shape, he was in good shape all things considered but he’s been in better shape before and will hopefully be in better shape in the future. He looked really gassed after 8 rounds and that’s why he started getting caught.
He was clearly in far better shape against Wlad that’s blatantly obvious.

I’m not criticising Davison, I feeled he performed to the best he could. What I’m asking is what did he really add to Fury as a fighter? Because it appears he didn’t really add anything.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

If he's a great trainer in general and could develop a fighter from the ground up remains to be seen

But he has been great for Fury, even if that mostly means keeping him motivated, interested and been with him through the process of getting all that weight off. Keeping Fury motivated and wanting to train is a huge part of the battle.

He deserves a lot of credit for that. Whether he's a great trainer at this point it irrelevant. He's great for Fury at this stage.

Agreed. He’s been fantastic for Fury, especially mentally. I just feel some people are getting carried away

[NearHypnos]

He wasn’t in that great of shape, he was in good shape all things considered but he’s been in better shape before and will hopefully be in better shape in the future. He looked really gassed after 8 rounds and that’s why he started getting caught.
He was clearly in far better shape against Wlad that’s blatantly obvious.

I’m not criticising Davison, I feeled he performed to the best he could. What I’m asking is what did he really add to Fury as a fighter? Because it appears he didn’t really add anything.

Agree to disagree on fitness.


As for what did he add? Only Fury knows.

The guy isn’t some random prospect. He’s the lineal hw champion. He already knows how to fight.

What did he add? No one knows that. What did he do? Helped Fury get a win (ignoring the official result of course).

You think Fury would just wake up on his own and hit a heavy bag and shadow box himself into being sharp enough for a fight with Wilder?

I’m still waiting for you to answer the questions before.

Not only that, but just because he did something “new” doesnt mean it was something he couldnt do before.


At the end of the day, he got Fury as ready as he possibly could and put him in the best possible position to win, which...for all intents and purposes, he did.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Agree to disagree on fitness.


As for what did he add? Only Fury knows.

The guy isn’t some random prospect. He’s the lineal hw champion. He already knows how to fight.

What did he add? No one knows that. What did he do? Helped Fury get a win (ignoring the official result of course).

You think Fury would just wake up on his own and hit a heavy bag and shadow box himself into being sharp enough for a fight with Wilder?

I’m still waiting for you to answer the questions before.

Not only that, but just because he did something “new” doesnt mean it was something he couldnt do before.


At the end of the day, he got Fury as ready as he possibly could and put him in the best possible position to win, which...for all intents and purposes, he did.

So aside from preparing him physically and mentally he added nothing then.
That was my original point...

I’m not saying he should’ve added this and should’ve added that, I’m saying he shouldn’t be given credit for improving Fury as a fighter because he hasn’t.