TBRB Has Become What They Feared

[Bardamu]

I just want ONE ratings group to follow that I view as the elite indie rankings. And to me TBRB is that.

Its not about no pretentiousness thing. Its a keeping sh^t simplistic thing.

It is pretentious. It is three people. That is it.

They started to be simplistic. Their rules, abide by decisions in less it is completely egregious and no reasonable person could score it the same as the judges. Their rules, state a fighter loses their title for a failed ped test and cannot fight for their vacant title in their first fight after a suspension. That is simple. That is very simple, not pretentious and prevents bias.

But like the WBC, they follow their rules. Except when they don't want to. Breaking your own rules, just because of personal bias is pretentious. It isn't simple. Go ahead and look to Rold and Stark and some Italian guy to help form your own opinions. TRBR's system is set up to allow personal biases to dictate their rankings. Three people, who are pretentious when they want to be and complicated, in that they have different rules for different fighters.

Most consider those types of things as being corrupt.

[Robbie Barrett]

Every expert on the Ring and TBRB panels had Fury winning. That's 100+ expert all having Fury winning. They saw Fury get robbed and moved him ahead accordingly. Nothing wrong with that imo.

[Bardamu]

I just want ONE ratings group to follow that I view as the elite indie rankings. And to me TBRB is that.

Its not about no pretentiousness thing. Its a keeping sh^t simplistic thing.

During an online conversation a few years back, a co-founder of the Transnational Boxing Rankings Board (TBRB) told me, with a straight face, that, given his board’s stance on what constituted a “real” world champion, he had to strip Roberto Duran of his middleweight world title—twenty-three years after the fact. And, “brother,” this demoting of his favorite fighter tore him up so much that he had to take a long walk in the park to get his head together.

It was then and there that I knew for sure something was a bit “off” with at least some of these “transnational” people.

I had been a critic of the TBRB from the very moment it tried to bum-rush the boxing media and instantly claim itself as providers of boxing’s REAL divisional rankings coming from a pure, unbiased, incorruptible source. My criticism was actually more of a healthy skepticism, to be fair—a healthy skepticism that grew as I started poking around more.

The organization, which came to be when a handful of writers rejected Ring Magazine’s 2012 championship policy changes for their pretend rankings, was really just a Ring Magazine rankings board 2.0. Other than holding firm on only #1 vs. #2 determining their “real” world champs, the TBRB rankings, like Ring Magazine’s, were fully determined by the whims and whimsies and opinions of writers invited to be part of their panel.

The TBRB would kick things off in October of 2012, recruiting members with influence at major websites, who would then leverage that influence into instantly declaring the group the only legitimate source for boxing rankings. TBRB press releases were showcased as front page material at member websites. Interviews were conducted by board members with board leaders, essentially pushing a “why are we so awesome” line of questioning.

As I poked, prodded, and questioned the group’s motives and operational structure, I had several heated run-ins with members who vehemently disliked my digging and meddling.

The crew that was literally insisting on instant and full credibility, offered zero transparency into the nuts and bolts of their ranking process or procedure. And, believe me, trying to find out how, exactly, their rankings were put together was like pulling teeth.
That changed a bit when member Eric Raskin included a blurb about their process in a rah-rah blog he posted at ESPN.com.

“Every Sunday,” Raskin wrote, “the three founders put their heads together and update the rankings to reflect the past week’s results; the updates are posted on a message board accessible only to members; the TBRB board members weigh in with disagreements and suggestions; the founders take the suggestions into account and finalize the ratings.”

So, in short, a board which boasted 30+ members (and now claims 50 from 20 different countries), is really only used as a prop to support, confirm, or clean up the rankings made by three people and, at the end of the day, finalized by those same three.

When one initially heard about this ranking board of do-gooders, 30 (or 50) members strong, it was reasonable to assume that this was a true group effort, maybe a popular consensus of what the board thought as a whole. This wasn’t the case, though. But it was that assumption that won over some fans and media people—including a perpetually befuddled Teddy Atlas, whose glowing pro-TBRB quote is still dragged around by the organization like a 40-year-old man carrying his participation trophy from a high school track meet.

Was I right in my assessment of how things worked? I’m assuming yes, just based on the information available, but it would be hard to confirm any of this because they just wouldn’t allow independent access to the process.

http://www.boxing.com/the_transnatio...thingness.html


TRBR is the very definition of pretentious.

[Bardamu]

Every expert on the Ring and TBRB panels had Fury winning. That's 100+ expert all having Fury winning. They saw Fury get robbed and moved him ahead accordingly. Nothing wrong with that imo.

Joe Santoliquito, ******.com (113-113)

https://www.boxingscene.com/deontay-...coring--134267


Please provide the link of the scorecards of all the TRBR members.

Oh, wait, you have to lie. It simply shows how desperate you are, to have to lie so blatantly. I get it though. You cannot stand that Wilder exposed Fury. So you make things up, hoping no one checks or knows any better.

I get it though, that is what a lot of 14 year olds do.

[Robbie Barrett]

I have seen two rankings panels now reward Fury for his performance Saturday.

While I think the gestures are well-intentioned (and ultimately mean nothing anyway in the short term), I do think they also erode at the already crumbling integrity of those panels.

For now, I will concentrate on TBRB, since the other panel from the "The Boxing Bible" were actually so proud of their shenanigans that they published an article running down their idiocy (which I may explain in a future post).

Here's why TBRB are hypocrites and inconsistent- and this will likely backfire on them and expose them for lacking credibility longterm.

When Ward fought Kovalev the first time, an overwhelming majority of press row observers thought Kovalev won (I didn't). Yet, TBRB showed enough integrity to abide by the decision that had been reached IN THE RING (Ward UD) and elevated Ward past Kovalev. This decision was validated by what happened in the rematch.

When Canelo fought GGG the first time, an overwhelming majority of press row observers thought GGG won (again, I didn't). In this instance, TBRB had GGG rated one and Saul rated two and again they respected the decision reached IN THE RING (SD) by rating both men exactly as they had been prior to the bout. In the rematch, they again respected the judges verdict over press row's and elevated Saul (who hadn't even been ranked by them prior because of the suspension) to champion.

That's consistent.

But, with Wilder vs Fury, we see something completely different. The decision IN THE RING was a draw, yet somehow they see fit to elevate Fury past Wilder.

That's hypocrisy.

That's inconsistency.

That's a lack of journalistic integrity.

And by the way, some would say that the arguments for ignoring the verdict reached in the ring is much stronger in the first two examples than the last (I wouldn't, since I don't think you ignore judges decisions in any but the most absurd circumstances ala Bradley v Pac I).

The TBRB was formed supposedly to avoid the bias that was anticipated from the Ring panel after Golden Boy bought the magazine and fired some folks.

Instead, both are now making the same mistakes.

It says it right in their charter rules.

"Although close losses and poor wins may be reflected in the rankings, the Board will refrain from nullifying the official results, with one exception: If over 75% of the Board agrees that the judges’ decision in a non-championship bout is egregious enough to constitute a “robbery”, then the official winner may be ranked lower than the official loser. At least fifteen votes are needed for a quorum."

BTW when they talk about "championship" they're talking about lineal not the paper title Wilder now holds.

[Robbie Barrett]

Joe Santoliquito, ******.com (113-113)

https://www.boxingscene.com/deontay-...coring--134267


Please provide the link of the scorecards of all the TRBR members.

Oh, wait, you have to lie. It simply shows how desperate you are, to have to lie so blatantly. I get it though. You cannot stand that Wilder exposed Fury. So you make things up, hoping no one checks or knows any better.

I get it though, that is what a lot of 14 year olds do.

The boxing world saw Fury win. I dont have to lie. The ring said everyone on their panel had Fury winning.

[juggernaut666]

Well this Wilder fanboy thread got shot up pretty quickly.

In the end no one will be happy when their fighter gets demoted. You can say they aren't legit anymore but in the future your insane fan base will be saying that about all the official rankings when it doesn't suit your agenda!

[Madison Boxing]

link that you have proof that the judge was paid off....



oh and ill wait......

He gave wilder the first 4 rounds and had him winning without the knockdowns. You really think that was 'human error'?

[Robbie Barrett]

He gave wilder the first 4 rounds and had him winning without the knockdowns. You really think that was 'human error'?

Same judge also had Garcia beating Herrera 116-112, another Haymon fighter with another robbery going his way.

[bigjavi973]

He gave wilder the first 4 rounds and had him winning without the knockdowns. You really think that was 'human error'?

again....

show proof he got paid like you said its that simple