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  • TBRB Has Become What They Feared

    I have seen two rankings panels now reward Fury for his performance Saturday.

    While I think the gestures are well-intentioned (and ultimately mean nothing anyway in the short term), I do think they also erode at the already crumbling integrity of those panels.

    For now, I will concentrate on TBRB, since the other panel from the "The Boxing Bible" were actually so proud of their shenanigans that they published an article running down their idiocy (which I may explain in a future post).

    Here's why TBRB are hypocrites and inconsistent- and this will likely backfire on them and expose them for lacking credibility longterm.

    When Ward fought Kovalev the first time, an overwhelming majority of press row observers thought Kovalev won (I didn't). Yet, TBRB showed enough integrity to abide by the decision that had been reached IN THE RING (Ward UD) and elevated Ward past Kovalev. This decision was validated by what happened in the rematch.

    When Canelo fought GGG the first time, an overwhelming majority of press row observers thought GGG won (again, I didn't). In this instance, TBRB had GGG rated one and Saul rated two and again they respected the decision reached IN THE RING (SD) by rating both men exactly as they had been prior to the bout. In the rematch, they again respected the judges verdict over press row's and elevated Saul (who hadn't even been ranked by them prior because of the suspension) to champion.

    That's consistent.

    But, with Wilder vs Fury, we see something completely different. The decision IN THE RING was a draw, yet somehow they see fit to elevate Fury past Wilder.

    That's hypocrisy.

    That's inconsistency.

    That's a lack of journalistic integrity.

    And by the way, some would say that the arguments for ignoring the verdict reached in the ring is much stronger in the first two examples than the last (I wouldn't, since I don't think you ignore judges decisions in any but the most absurd circumstances ala Bradley v Pac I).

    The TBRB was formed supposedly to avoid the bias that was anticipated from the Ring panel after Golden Boy bought the magazine and fired some folks.

    Instead, both are now making the same mistakes.
    Last edited by koolkc107; 12-07-2018, 02:09 PM.

  • #2
    You'll never find a post no matter how far back you look where I didn't say TBRB is bull****.

    They've always been bull**** artists. How can you claim to be objective when you just happen to always favor the popular vote? All that means is they're a bunch of tinkerbells scared to go against the crowd.

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    • #3
      Idk when TBRB became a thing but Cyberboxing and to lesser extent Ring was always the go too back in the day i still think CBZ is the best till this day.

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      • #4
        Also, TBRB has in their rules, that a fighter suspended for ped use has to have at least one fight back before he can be ranked #1 or #2 to fight for a vacant title. They even said a week or two before the g-Canelo rematch that it wouldn't be for the title because of Canelo's suspension. Then they made it for their title anyway. Their reason? Because the three people who make the decisions didn't want to follow their own rules. Literally. They admit this.

        TBRB's rankings is seriously just three guys. Cliff Rold (who writes for BS too), Tim Starks, and some Italian guy who just does what he's told.

        They have definitely fallen and are now ranking fighters mostly by who they root for. To overturn a decision it is supposed to have to be egregious. Yet, over half the boxing journalists and experts also did not have Fury winning. But the three guys like Fury, so they decided their own rules do not matter. That is supposedly why they began in the first place. To follow the rules with no exceptions. When Ring said it didn't have to be #1 vs. #2 to be for a vacant title, TRBR started because that was bs. And now, twice in the last three months, they have disregarded their own rules. Just because the three guys who run it wanted to.

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        • #5
          There isn't an TBRB guy. They are a bunch of guys voting on sh^t. They didn't make no decision to abide by the Ward vs Kovalev close decision nor decide to take Wilder & Fury as even stevens. They took a vote with the idk how many mfers vote for them & they came out with Kovalev & Fury moving up a notch.

          You are framing your own narrative on why they did what they did.

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          • #6
            im done with transnational......

            I had the upmost respect cuz they complain about how the ring was doing it etc



            and now they turn around and starting to give imaginary wins etc


            tbrb

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bardamu View Post
              TBRB's rankings is seriously just three guys. Cliff Rold (who writes for BS too), Tim Starks, and some Italian guy who just does what he's told.
              Link to this being a legit thing.

              Here's the voting members last I was aware.

              There are currently 53 members representing 21 countries on six continents: the United States, England, Italy, the Philippines, Ireland, Chile, Cuba, Costa Rica, Scotland, Canada, New Zealand, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Norway, Sweden, Japan, Thailand, Australia, Argentina, Russia and Ghana.

              Vittorio Parisi (Chair)
              Cliff Rold (Chair)
              Tim Starks (Chair)
              Stewart Howe (Tech)
              Rey Tecson (Record keeper)
              Mauricio Salvador (Record keeper)
              Ken Pollitt (Record keeper)
              Mexico Carlos Aguirre (Board member)
              Ramon Aranda (Board member)
              Gonzalo Baeza (Board member)
              Shaun Brown (Board member)
              Kevin Byrne (Board member)
              Derek Bonnett (Board member)
              Brian Campbell (Board member)
              Michael Carbert (Board member)
              Lázaro Malvarez Cárdenas (Board member)
              Abac Cordero (Board member)
              Jake Donovan (Board member)
              Jose Corpas (Board member)
              Lou Catalano (Board member)
              Oliver Fennell (Board member)
              Billy Ferguson (Board member)
              Jeremy Foley (Board member)
              Andrew Fruman (Board member)
              Paul Gibson (Board member)
              Kenneth Bouhairie (Board member)
              Jeandra LeBeauf (Board member)
              Alex McClintock (Board member)
              Matt McGrain (Board member)
              Yuriko Miyata (Board member)
              Diego Morilla (Board member)
              Gabriel Muhr (Board member)
              Gautham Nagesh (Board member)
              Takahiro Onaga (Board member)
              James Oddy (Board member)
              Eric Raskin (Board member)
              Alister Scott Ottesen (Board member)
              Harry Otty (Board member)
              Matthew Paras (Board member)
              Per-Ake Persson (Board member)
              Alex Pierpaoli (Board member)
              Adam Abramowitz (Board member)
              Arvin Nundloll (Board member)
              Victor Salazar (Board member)
              Don Steinberg (Board member)
              Brandon Stubbs (Board member)
              Alexey Sukachev (Board member)
              Luis Torres (Board member)
              Paul Upham (Board member)
              Steve Zemach (Board member)
              Nick Wong (Board member)
              Brin-Jonathan Butler (Board member)
              Last edited by Eff Pandas; 12-07-2018, 04:51 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Marchegiano View Post
                You'll never find a post no matter how far back you look where I didn't say TBRB is bull****.

                They've always been bull**** artists. How can you claim to be objective when you just happen to always favor the popular vote? All that means is they're a bunch of tinkerbells scared to go against the crowd.
                TBRB didn't favour the popular vote on Ward - Kovalev or GGG - Canelo I. Why they've decided to go with Fury here I'm not quite sure, though the general feeling seems to be that they saw this as a more egregious failure of judging. I have generally been in support of the TBRB and in fact praised them for their consistency very recently, but do have to acknowledge that even if I agree with them on Fury - Wilder it makes no sense for them to override the decision in this case but not others where there has been similar public disapproval of a result.

                Do you have a preferred ranking organisation or body, man?

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                • #9
                  its the straw that broke the camels back. when i made p4p lists i used to go by the official verdict but boxing is so blatantly corrupt that enoughs enough. they are right to rank fury ahead of wilder, just cause a paid off judge gave wilder the first 4 rounds doesnt mean ****

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DramaShow View Post
                    its the straw that broke the camels back. when i made p4p lists i used to go by the official verdict but boxing is so blatantly corrupt that enoughs enough. they are right to rank fury ahead of wilder, just cause a paid off judge gave wilder the first 4 rounds doesnt mean ****
                    I go off the action in the ring. I bet OP gave Whitaker credit for Chavez and that affected his pound for pound ranking and who rates higher. I know I had Whitaker winning that fight.

                    If a decision is close but I see I am in a minority or slight majority I respect it but if it's totally egregious you've got to go with what happened in the ring.

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