Comments Thread For: Hearn: Wilder Must Fight Joshua Next or We Might Miss The Boat

[Bonduu]

Hearn can go a couple ways with this, but these will be short and long term. Short term effects: He can low ball the dog puke out of Wilder and then claim "he tried to make the fight happen". Anything below 35 percent or a flat fee is a lowball offer. Parker got between 32-35 percent. Give Wilder somewhere between 35-40 percent.

Long term: Hearn can move to his real intentions (i believe) to wait for the outcome of Chisora/Whyte. The winner gets AJ. Unless AJ fights Fury or Wilder, AJ will be regulated to mandatories while still pulling in boats loads of cash. But the "True HW King" business will unfinished and fans will really begin to beat the drum for a Wilder or Fury fight. The latter part of this sucks because fans lose out while Big Ed stuffs his pockets.

If Hearn makes a decent offer to Wilder, the Fury rematch can wait. If Wilder takes the offer, i thinl Warren and Fury will understand that is a business move. Roles reversed and Fury was champ and he got an offer frpm Eddie to fight AJ, he would take it.

Shut your hating trap up! Wilder’s stock has taken a nose dive, he was meant to KO a Fury who for the past 3 years was drink and snoting himself to death, instead he got schooled and in most boxing fans opinion he LOST!

If i Was Wilder I would take Hearns offer and sign the contract right still there in his coffee table and have signed copies sent to Hearn via DHL ASAP. Hearn is given him a shot to history, becoming undisputed king, I would have fought for free and given my all come fight night if I was confident I was going to win but we all know Al Haymon wants to cash out on poor Wilder.

[Bonduu]

You don’t call the shots bum, you have the 4th ranked heavyweight

Nothing positive comes from you, after Wilder lost you must have cried your pour eyes out then buried your head in the desert sand where you just slinked out from.

[James Hunt]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...es-Center.html

Yea, initially they were all talking about Vegas, even Warren was saying there's the most money. But the more the talks progressed the more was Warren talking (videos on YT) about the option to pick independent judges which is not possible in Vegas. Why not opt for the most money (Vegas, even at a different date) unless there's some serious obstacle.

[NearHypnos]

No, saying Fury didn't see it how you did. So when you say when one fighters wins 10 rounds (your opinion) and still gets a draw. It is obvious Fury doesn't see it the same way as you.

What percentage do I think Wilder warrants after doing 325k cable/satellite buys + possibly 25k streaming buys along with doing a nice live gate? I think he deserves a 40% split.

And he donated his entire purse? Oh word, is there proof of that? So will he be "donating" his entire purse the rest of his career? Will he "donate" the $30-40 million he makes in a Joshua showdown or the same for the Wilder rematch?

Do I think Wilder/Fury will sell more than Fury/Joshua? In what sense sell more? Do you mean generate more revenue? I think the Wilder/Fury rematch due to the US PPV definitely can make it close, no doubt. Remember, even if it takes place, it will be on UK PPV. And the rematch to me will do around 700-800 UK buys.

I'm one of those that thinks the rematch will do a million or close to a million buys. I absolutely believe that. Just like I believed the first fight would do $4-5 million gate and do around 300-350k buys. I was pretty damn spot on and usually am when it comes to numbers. The first fight was talked about on ESPN on every single sports show on Monday as well as on Fox Sports. Clearly it caught the eyes of the casuals and that was when "both were unknown" stateside. The build up for the rematch is going to be great and Vegas will treat it as an mega event that it is.

And please point me to when Wilder won via a big robbery? Parker who to most won four rounds was given one and two rounds on the scorecards. Big name fighter gets some fortunate cards, that is nothing new and nor will it ever change. Bellew was up 68-65 on one scorecard FFS. Wilder/Fury was not a robbery. Want to say it was a bad decision and Fury should have gotten the win? Cool, respectable opinion. But you came with a lot BS in this and your prior posts.

http://vt.co/entertainment/sport/tyson-fury-says-hes-donating-his-entire-purse-from-deontay-wilder-fight-to-help-the-poor-and-homeless/

Random one off google.

I’ll start there.

Look, I hope they fought in vegas and got 1 mil ppv. I really do. But 325k ppv doesnt translate to a tripling in fanbase and buys. Especially considering many saw it as a bad draw.

And hey, youre right on the opinion of me seeing it as 10 rounds. Not fact. Can’t argue with that.

Almost every PPV fight appears on espn afterwards. Did you miss the outcry and tons of disgust for the result as well? You have people saying this is why they hate boxing. That theyre done with it, etc etc.

The way you hope and believe itll do all of these fantasy numbers, I too hope. But it’s all a dream right now. Theres no proof. All we have is that it did a third of what you hope itll get.

Look, we know everyone gets questionable cards at times. It’s part of boxing. But that doesnt mean it’s right.

Do you think Wilder legitimately won all 4 rounds? Instead of using other examples to justify bad cards, just start there.

It doesnt matter at the end if the day, but perception does.

For example, the fight was ONLY *good* because of the knockdowns but if I take those two knockdowns out the equation, it was a largely boring and one sided fight. My opinion. It changes nothing but its perception too. You’ll be hard pressed to find a dozen people who think wilder shut out the first four rounds though. Perception? Most the people I personally know and watched it said “im not watching that s hit in the us again. How much better can he do?”

Bellew didnt win nor shouldnhe have been. Parker didnt win. And the right man won in the end in those.

I hope youre right and they make all this tons of money. That Fury and Warren are dumb enough to come back and hope for a fair shake. That they make more than AJ could ever anywhere in the world. At the end of the day I want boxers to make as much as humanly possible and wish them the most success they can have. I hope you can hit me with an “I told you so.” But for now we’ll just have to agree to disagree. You believe something that doesnt yet exist and I believe it never will. Neither of us is right at this point nor do we have the ability to prove we will be.

[otrocubiche]

I think another close fight in the rematch and agreeing to a trilogy would do better for wilder and fury, if it goes like that, it'd be AJ and hearn missing the boat,

[Phenom]

Yeah just go on and make the rematch for the Commonwealth belt on April 13th

[True That]

Hmmm? I wonder if Hearn thinks if Fury and Wilder rematch that Wilder runs the serious risk of losing then it would be Joshua vs. Fury for all the belts.

Tough choices to make for Wilder. Does he fight Joshua for all the belts or fight Fury in a rematch.

If I was Wilder I would fight AJ for all the belts and the money.

[KTFOKING]

http://vt.co/entertainment/sport/tys...-and-homeless/

Random one off google.

I’ll start there.

Look, I hope they fought in vegas and got 1 mil ppv. I really do. But 325k ppv doesnt translate to a tripling in fanbase and buys. Especially considering many saw it as a bad draw.

And hey, youre right on the opinion of me seeing it as 10 rounds. Not fact. Can’t argue with that.

Almost every PPV fight appears on espn afterwards. Did you miss the outcry and tons of disgust for the result as well? You have people saying this is why they hate boxing. That theyre done with it, etc etc.

The way you hope and believe itll do all of these fantasy numbers, I too hope. But it’s all a dream right now. Theres no proof. All we have is that it did a third of what you hope itll get.

Look, we know everyone gets questionable cards at times. It’s part of boxing. But that doesnt mean it’s right.

Do you think Wilder legitimately won all 4 rounds? Instead of using other examples to justify bad cards, just start there.

It doesnt matter at the end if the day, but perception does.

For example, the fight was ONLY *good* because of the knockdowns but if I take those two knockdowns out the equation, it was a largely boring and one sided fight. My opinion. It changes nothing but its perception too. You’ll be hard pressed to find a dozen people who think wilder shut out the first four rounds though

Bellew didnt win nor shouldnhe have been. Parker didnt win. And the right man won in the end in those.

That is what Fury said PRE-fight, but there is no proof he will or has donated his entire purse to charity.

They did 325k buys on their FIRST PPV. They are both much bigger names stateside now after the first. The buzz will generate for the rematch and the controversial draw will help it. Both guys will do what they do on the mic and sell it even better than the first one.

And I saw very little to NO outcry on ESPN sports shows on Monday. First Take talked about the great in a favorable manner, so did Jalen and Jacoby as did High Noon. If anything, everyone was intrigued with the rematch and satisfied with what they saw. The fans got their moneys worth.

Did I see Wilder winning four rounds? Yes, in fact that is how I scored the fight. Rounds 2, 4, 9 and 12 to Wilder.

Fight was just one sided minus the KDs? Well, for one you can take the KDs away and the 12th round was dramatic when it seemed like Fury was out cold and how he came roaring back.

Did Wilder sweep the first four rounds? Of course not, but damn near no one is saying that, are they? That is widely agreed to being a bad card.

[SchoolTheseCats]

So because Fury says it thats how it is? Wilder thinks he didnt need the 12th all together, let alone the KD.

You think Fury can be bought? He donated his entire purse. He’d also make much more vs Joshua, let’s be real.

What Percentage do you think Wilder warrants against Aj just because he held on to his one belt despite losing in almost all eyes? Serious question.

You think Wilder-Fury sells more than Aj-Fury?

You think Wilder-Fury is a bigger fight than Aj-Fury?

If its money, he’ll make more with AJ.


You’re operating on random assumptions and hopes. Like the guy who said itd sell like 1mil ppv in amerca.


Also, point me in the direction of an occasion AJ won via whats considered a major robbery.

Aj/fury won’t be a ppv in us....

[KTFOKING]

Yea, initially they were all talking about Vegas, even Warren was saying there's the most money. But the more the talks progressed the more was Warren talking (videos on YT) about the option to pick independent judges which is not possible in Vegas. Why not opt for the most money (Vegas, even at a different date) unless there's some serious obstacle.

So Warren got to pick independent judges in California and was still upset. He said after the fight he will never have any of his fighters fight for the California commission. Great, so he's never fighting his guys in LA or Vegas?

Please, Warren can say what he wants but he will cave in once he sees the type of money there is to be made. And end of the day Fury makes the final call not Warren. If he tells him to make it in Vegas, what is Warren going to say? No, sorry we can't pick independent judges so let's not fight Wilder in the rematch?