Are people underrating the current HW era?

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  • Earl-Hickey
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    #11
    Originally posted by LoadedWraps

    False.

    1: The Wlad that lost to Fury was basically prime, if not prime then not far removed - let's remember prime in boxing doesn't correlate with age, it's about the damage you've taken and how you've taken care of yourself.

    2: Even if you could argue it wasn't prime Wlad, we already know stylistically he fought the same throughout, and his style is one that ages well, so that point is MOOT.

    Fury ethers all HW past, present, future. From Johnson, to LaMotta, to Marciano, to Ali, to Liston to Holyfield, from Foreman to Frazier.
    I wouldn't have called that Wlad "prime" per se but he definatley would have beaten himself from the Sam Peter fight and back

    I'd say that was an 8/10 Wlad that Fury pretty much shut out

    a 10/10 Wlad would be a bit trickier, with a little bit more speed, and fraction better reflexes but i still give fury a good chance to beat that version too.

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    • Kezzer
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      #12
      Originally posted by earl-hickey
      There's a tendency with the old school champions to only remember their greatest nights and moments and disregard the rest

      every heavyweight champ in history has had some very hard nights against far worse fighters than AJ, Fury and Wilder.

      They compete in any era.
      Agree with all of above. Obviously these three have many fights left as all are reasonable age though!! I can see all fighting each other by end of 2020 latest

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        #13
        Originally posted by Redd Foxx
        Prime Wlad or Vitali shyts all over any current HW.
        Except maybe a prime Fury. Problem is with a prime Wlad is he was like paint drying. Only thing Wlad’s title reign did was make me follow other divisions closer

        As for Vitali. It’s the reason I like Hrgovic. He reminds me of a young Vitali, and if he has a chin I think he will be a top 5 HW maybe as soon as next year.

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          #14
          Miller and Joyce will also have impact , I can't see to many handling guys like them . I've never seen an era where it wasn't underrated. I'm sure even in the old days when Louis was champ people were going on how no one was Jack Dempsey, this sports fans just don't enjoy current eras it's the way it's always been, but not this fan.

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          • NEETzsche
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            #15
            Just a few moaners who think it makes them look clever to be negative all the time. Most people appreciate what we have right now

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            • boliodogs
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              #16
              Originally posted by Kezzer
              There has been talk of the current era being poor and not entertaining. Is this opinion beginning to change? The last few years have seen some absolute crackers. Here’s a reminder of some; I’ve rated in my personal opinion of order of entertainment:

              Joshua vs klitschko
              Fury vs Wilder
              Whyte vs Chisora
              Chisora vs Takam
              Wilder vs Ortiz
              Whyte vs Parker
              Haye vs Bellew
              Bellew vs Haye2
              Joshua vs Parker
              Joshua vs Povetkin
              Klitschko vs Fury

              Let someone go back to after that klitschko fight and top10 was probably:

              1 Tyson Fury (England) 25-0
              2 Wladimir Klitschko (Ukraine) 64-4
              3 Deontay Wilder (USA) 37-0
              4 Alexander Povetkin (Russia) 30-1
              5 Anthony Joshua (England) 17-0
              6 Luis Ortiz (Cuba) 25-0-0-1
              7 Bermane Stiverne (Haiti) 25-2-1
              8 David Haye (England) 28-2
              9 Kubrat Pulev (Bulgaria) 23-1
              10 Joseph Parker (New Zealand) 20-0

              Now klitschko, Stiverne and Haye have dropped out with Dillian Whyte, Jarrell Miller and Takam; with Usyk likely to be knocking on the door of Pulev shortly.

              For me that leaves a number of great match ups still to happen both at top end and across the top ten!
              To each his own. I like some of the weight classes below heavyweight much more than today's heavyweights.

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                #17
                Originally posted by johnbook
                No greats since the era of Tyson, Holy and Lewis.
                I would disagree with that. Tyson was shot to shyt in the 90's. He beat up a bunch of bums and then was waxed by Holy and Lennox. Bowe was a one-hit wonder, same with Buster.

                I would say Fury, Joshua, and Wilder have the chance to put up legacies as good as Lennox and Evander.

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                • BoxingIsGreat
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by johnbook
                  No greats since the era of Tyson, Holy and Lewis.
                  I kinda agree. Not sure how GREAT even those 3 were, tho.

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                    #19
                    I think the likes of Fury, Wilder & Joshua would do well in any era. The size difference alone is a massive factor, these guys are giants.

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                    • Kezzer
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by SuperHanz
                      I think the likes of Fury, Wilder & Joshua would do well in any era. The size difference alone is a massive factor, these guys are giants.
                      I COncur to an extent. fury Ian always the dark horse because he isn’t a real puncher so not sure if his size advantage is as big a gain for him.

                      Wilder for sure has a chance against tyson holyfield etc.

                      Joshua I would like to see against Fury and usyk to see how he fairs against a boxer of different style but he looks to have combination of boxing ability and power punch which has been rarely seen at heavyweight.

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