Comments Thread For: Fury: Wilder Caught Me Flush, But I Got Up - I Don't Know How

[johnbook]

I know how. Wilder took to long to get to a neutral corner, giving Fury a couple of valuable extra seconds before the ref started counting. Wilder played himself out of a KO win.
That being said, once it went to the cards I had Fury winning 9 rounds and 2 knock downs don't make up the points difference.

My understanding is that the timekeeper starts counting when the ref waves the start. If the ref is distracted, he's supposed to refer back to the timekeeper who continues the count.
Of course strange things or inept things happen like with Bute-Andrade or Ali-Liston II. First was probably hometown corruption, 2nd was ineptness

[hugh grant]

It takes a true champ to get off floor. It doesn't take a champ to knock someone down. Too much is made of wilder knocking fury down. So what. Cunningham knocked fury down. Kovaleve knocked ward down.
Fury said he'd give deonta y a boxing lesson, he did that. Wilder said he'd knock fury out twitching. He failed

[Adamsc151]

My understanding is that the timekeeper starts counting when the ref waves the start. If the ref is distracted, he's supposed to refer back to the timekeeper who continues the count.
Of course strange things or inept things happen like with Bute-Andrade or Ali-Liston II. First was probably hometown corruption, 2nd was ineptness

The amount of times I've heard ref's pre-fight instructions of; "in the event of a knock-down, I will not start the count until the standing fighter reaches a neutral corner" - surely this is ingrained in the minds of people who box for a living. Especially someone like Wilder who is used to dropping his opponents, it should be 2nd nature.
In his early days, Mike Tyson would be on his way to the corner almost before the other guy was fully down.

[johnbook]

The amount of times I've heard ref's pre-fight instructions of; "in the event of a knock-down, I will not start the count until the standing fighter reaches a neutral corner" - surely this is ingrained in the minds of people who box for a living. Especially someone like Wilder who is used to dropping his opponents, it should be 2nd nature.
In his early days, Mike Tyson would be on his way to the corner almost before the other guy was fully down.

Thanks.i'm sure that's true. I can also recall seeing ref's almost immediately make that arm signal to the timekeeper and then head to the fighter to get him to the neutral corner.

Wasn't everyone enraged when the ref in Bute-Andrade started late and stopped the count both times claiming that Andrade wasn't far enough in his corner? All to aid Bute.

Anyway I counted, starting 1 sec after Fury hit the canvas until the 10 count. The timekeeper here started properly and continued properly. Fury was up at 9.

[EasternEuroFan]

Fury is the best thing to happen to the heavyweight division for years...when he's fit and active

He blew the division wide open when he took the belts from Wlad

Now he's come back and made things a lot more interesting by arguably putting himself back at number 1 despite not having the belt to show for it. Now the British public are seeing that he is for real and it might put pressure on AJ to take a real big dangerous fight and prove he's deserving of the belts that Fury never lost in the ring. Also, now Wilder also has to come back and prove himself because most now think he's the fake champ.

Like it or not, Fury has changed the landscape of the division again. It's far better with him around.

Ultimately, the reason he has shook up the division twice now is because he's genuinely that good.

[Adamsc151]

Thanks.i'm sure that's true. I can also recall seeing ref's almost immediately make that arm signal to the timekeeper and then head to the fighter to get him to the neutral corner.

Wasn't everyone enraged when the ref in Bute-Andrade started late and stopped the count both times claiming that Andrade wasn't far enough in his corner? All to aid Bute.

Anyway I counted, starting 1 sec after Fury hit the canvas until the 10 count. The timekeeper here started properly and continued properly. Fury was up at 9.

I wonder if it's worth the count being made by the timekeeper using a digital timer via the loudspeaker? That way the ref can focus on whether the downed fighter looks like he can continue boxing, and policing the standing fighter's retreat to a neutral corner.
It would still likely end up with fighters getting a second or 2 of extra recovery time once they've regained their feet, but it takes away any argument about whether a fighter legitimately made the count.

[johnbook]

I wonder if it's worth the count being made by the timekeeper using a digital timer via the loudspeaker? That way the ref can focus on whether the downed fighter looks like he can continue boxing, and policing the standing fighter's retreat to a neutral corner.
It would still likely end up with fighters getting a second or 2 of extra recovery time once they've regained their feet, but it takes away any argument about whether a fighter legitimately made the count.

Well in some fights I've seen, I can hear the timekeeper yelling out his counting as well as the ref doing that.

But your suggestions of digital timekeeping and microphone are great. They could have been already doing this for some time.

So maybe they have reasons for not doing that, if you catch my drift?

[MDPopescu]

... Jack Reiss. (...) He told us before the fight, “if anyone goes down, you’ll get a full opportunity to get up. And as long as you tell me you’re OK, I’ll let you continue.”

... The ref was fine... but it's interesting how accurately Fury remembers the whole situation... (the guy really seems to be intelligent...)

[Adamsc151]

Well in some fights I've seen, I can hear the timekeeper yelling out his counting as well as the ref doing that.

But your suggestions of digital timekeeping and microphone are great. They could have been already doing this for some time.

So maybe they have reasons for not doing that, if you catch my drift?

Money makes the world go round?

[johnbook]

The amount of times I've heard ref's pre-fight instructions of; "in the event of a knock-down, I will not start the count until the standing fighter reaches a neutral corner" - surely this is ingrained in the minds of people who box for a living. Especially someone like Wilder who is used to dropping his opponents, it should be 2nd nature.
In his early days, Mike Tyson would be on his way to the corner almost before the other guy was fully down.

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Here you see what I wrote in general: Ref Reiss immediately [it's in slow motion] signals for the timekeeper to start the count. Then he moves to Wilder to make sure he goes and stays in the neutral corner. When he goes back to Fury, he gets the current count from the timekeeper.

Everything in this regard was proper. No late count, no long count. I timed everything myself.