George Foreman says that Wilder and Fury would've whooped him

[TonyGe]

I don't believe him. In the case of Wilder is all about who gets their punches off first and how often. In the case of Tyson Fury that Kronk gym style would be all wrong for Tyson Fury. George would just as easily push him back and land his power punches on him. However, if Tyson decides to get on his bicycle to box then it would be a totally different story.due to Foreman's lack of speed and poor stamina.

I don't believe him either. George had heart, power and was immensely strong. If he knocked down Fury like Wilder did either Fury wouldn't get up or George would finish him.

[Marchegiano]

Foreman was a bona fide puncher. Interest thing is, Liston who worked a lot with George didn't cut the ring down so much as use exact footwork. To Liston the idea was to get his body weight and exstension on the shots... Foreman by contrast cut the ring. This means sometimes coming in pursuit at an angle. In this respect Wilder is more similar to Liston. Wilder has faster feet by far, but Liston always always had his weight on base for his shots.

Im not trying to put words in your mouth here bub but would it be safe to say that Foreman was a puncher? I don't know about basic, advanced, or what not... Foreman had good skills manipulating opponents into shots, and in cutting the ring. Wilder's skills are there. He gets there quick. With his reach how many quick steps from across the ring before he is in range? He uses that well. Many guys are hit before they saw him coming.

****ing hell

My **** froze and the website saved like half my work. Which, does not even make sense without the other half. This is more a tribute to the original than a full and good post itself.

I appreciate the respect but, you know that you know what you're talking about.


If I didn't see a little George and a little Marciano in Wilder I wouldn't have been such a fan. Deontay is bad at picking angles but underrated at jumping on them. When he was more successful I attributed it to style and understanding but now I'm not so sure.

Look at the Fury fights for when Wilder stalks the corner. Not gets put into a corner, Wilder, in a ton of fights, chooses the corner and then makes a stand in the corner. It's a come get me play. Fury handled it greatly. Watch Szplika, he was handling it well until he didn't anymore.

Either Wilder does this as part of his plan or he does this naturally, I don't know. I know Fury identified it and attacked holes in it and I know prior to Fury it was very successful for Deontay. Pay attention to how many KOs come from D being in the corner and his opponent coming to him? Loads right, Szplika being the most rememberable but peek my KO reel, it's loads.

That's some Foreman ****. Not even young G, that's old G **** that.

Keeping with the same situation, that's also Marciano ****.

Foreman uses his angles to understand where he needs to be and how he needs to punch. He can come get you, or, he can stand right there and let you come to him. He's in control either way. Wilder's not so great at coming to get you, but, when you come for him is when he tends to land that big one.

Marciano wings a poor punch and watches your response until he reckons you adjusted then wings a proper to end the fight. Marciano is not a come to me boxer, at all, he doesn't like it and does not do well with it.


Wilder, whether he means to or not, often throws a punch that isn't working for him...at all...just like Marciano, until it does work for him and stops the fight. He does this more often when guys are coming to him then going away.


So, Deontay missing right hands all night going into a corner to land a KO punch while his opponent closes in on him....dude, that's Marciman, Foriano, bit Rocky, bit George.

That covered, I have no clue if Deontay means to, but, what sold me on him being a very good puncher, and I still believe this, is really what the truth is behind a phantom punch. A punch you can see from the audience but the boxer receiving it did not. That's really the key for George, Rocky, or Deontay. Unless they can phantom those fools they will lose.

No one just stood there and got punched by George or Rocky, George and Rocky are masters of making an obvious punch seem mysterious. Masters of "the one you didn't see" even if it looks like they really should have seen it. Wilder can do it but unless he does it by will he can never master it...which is sad.

Everyone saw that punch that dropped Szplika coming, except Artur. He's so close...


Phantoms, name of the game, if you ain't got them you're just a boxer who hits hard.

[billeau2]

****ing hell

My **** froze and the website saved like half my work. Which, does not even make sense without the other half. This is more a tribute to the original than a full and good post itself.

I appreciate the respect but, you know that you know what you're talking about.


If I didn't see a little George and a little Marciano in Wilder I wouldn't have been such a fan. Deontay is bad at picking angles but underrated at jumping on them. When he was more successful I attributed it to style and understanding but now I'm not so sure.

Look at the Fury fights for when Wilder stalks the corner. Not gets put into a corner, Wilder, in a ton of fights, chooses the corner and then makes a stand in the corner. It's a come get me play. Fury handled it greatly. Watch Szplika, he was handling it well until he didn't anymore.

Either Wilder does this as part of his plan or he does this naturally, I don't know. I know Fury identified it and attacked holes in it and I know prior to Fury it was very successful for Deontay. Pay attention to how many KOs come from D being in the corner and his opponent coming to him? Loads right, Szplika being the most rememberable but peek my KO reel, it's loads.

That's some Foreman ****. Not even young G, that's old G **** that.

Keeping with the same situation, that's also Marciano ****.

Foreman uses his angles to understand where he needs to be and how he needs to punch. He can come get you, or, he can stand right there and let you come to him. He's in control either way. Wilder's not so great at coming to get you, but, when you come for him is when he tends to land that big one.

Marciano wings a poor punch and watches your response until he reckons you adjusted then wings a proper to end the fight. Marciano is not a come to me boxer, at all, he doesn't like it and does not do well with it.


Wilder, whether he means to or not, often throws a punch that isn't working for him...at all...just like Marciano, until it does work for him and stops the fight. He does this more often when guys are coming to him then going away.


So, Deontay missing right hands all night going into a corner to land a KO punch while his opponent closes in on him....dude, that's Marciman, Foriano, bit Rocky, bit George.

That covered, I have no clue if Deontay means to, but, what sold me on him being a very good puncher, and I still believe this, is really what the truth is behind a phantom punch. A punch you can see from the audience but the boxer receiving it did not. That's really the key for George, Rocky, or Deontay. Unless they can phantom those fools they will lose.

No one just stood there and got punched by George or Rocky, George and Rocky are masters of making an obvious punch seem mysterious. Masters of "the one you didn't see" even if it looks like they really should have seen it. Wilder can do it but unless he does it by will he can never master it...which is sad.

Everyone saw that punch that dropped Szplika coming, except Artur. He's so close...


Phantoms, name of the game, if you ain't got them you're just a boxer who hits hard.

The strategy is archetypical: Over here in GOlden Gate Park they have this conservatory, Flower House. Most of the grand city parks from the eighteen hundreds have them, Druid Hill park in Baltimore, Central Park has a whole garden, Prospect Park, and here in Golden Gate... and in this flower house are these tulip like plants that are meat eaters... some of them can actually do mice and small reptiles. They thrive... They cannot chase a damn thing! impossible for obvious reasons, yet it does not diminish their situation in the least... As a cook I tell people, when nature produces sugar and fat, it will be sought! both are rare... Avocados are heavenly when ripe... pure fat, minerals and Vitamins... and sugar saps, etc... so these plants produce sugars and that is how they draw in different creatures.

So to say that a great puncher understands the need to have the opponent come to him is a great thing to hone into. There is even an old saw in boxing that says "never chase a puncher." I never looked for that with these guys... It never occured to me. Its important! I see it in Marciano and I see it in Mexican fighters who variate the speed of punches deliberately. Ill look for it with Wilder. Interesting observation.