Ten Takes From Last Night

[koolkc107]

Great post and I agree on most, but Usyk in the Fighter of the Year. 3 current or former champions in their own backyards. Unified the title. I am very feel!

Can't argue with Usyk.

In my defense, I said "candidate", not that he would win it.

[koolkc107]

it wont die though...these guys will continue to perpetuate it....

ortiz was the boogeyman till wilder fought and beat him...then he became old garbage.....when ortiz literally wins every second of every round against kauffman hes an old bum cause he couldnt put him away early enough....but were supposed to believe parker, who couldnt ko cojanu, is some decent fighter we should respect on AJs resume

Ortiz is still the boogeyman or Whyte would be fighting him, not Chisora, later this month- they STILL swerving Luis like the plague!

Against Kauffman he won every minute of every round. Can't see what more they could want...Luis looked better versus Travis than Whyte looked vs Helenius or AJ looked vs Takam if we are comparig performances against less than top tier guys.

And yeah, the Cojanu fight speaks volumes as well.

[Tony Trick-Pony]

Can't argue with Usyk.

In my defense, I said "candidate", not that he would win it.

Oh, very true, man. Very true.

I'm very happy with Fury as a candidate. The dude has come back from hell and if it weren't for Usyk, I'd be all for it.

[Eff Pandas]

1) Fury is Comeback Fighter of the Year- I don't even know if there is even anyone remotely close. If he isn't all the way back, he is 90 to 95 percent there. And that is good enough to beat most and compete with all.

Agree. And sh^t man I think with that Undertaker rise he might be Comeback Fighter of the Decade or some sh^t.

2) Wilder is a Fighter of the Year candidate. Doubt he wins it, (yeah you may not like his skill level) but the truth is he took on arguably two of the top 5 heavys in the world this year and got thru both without a loss.

My first thought was "hell nah", but then again upon thinking about it for a second or two longer beating Ortiz & drawing Fury is a pretty solid f#cking year + both those fights where extremely memorable fights so I can see him being a distant choice for FOTY.

3) The draw was the right call. I am not sure if I agree with any of the scorecards round for round, but the draw as an outcome feels right. There were plenty of very close rounds and those two KD rounds have to loom large in any scoring given how close the rest of the fight was. 114-112 either way is about right.

I've yet to sit down & score this rbr yet, but based upon what my eyes saw a draw seems bad to me.

Certainly the public has voted & the public said a draw was bs & "same ole boxing bs" type comments. I think every time an outcome goes against what most people watched its a bad look for boxing with the people who aren't watching boxing as much as they used to & usually the scorecards are one of the major reasons that they don't.

4) Folks who think this was a robbery either way are just flat out wrong. If coming forward is enough to give your favorite fighter the benefit of the doubt, it's enough to give Wilder the same respect. If moving, thinking defense first, and landing a counter here and there is enough to give your favorite fighter the benefit of the doubt, then it's enough to give Fury the same respect. Stop acting like it was one-sided because it wasn't. It was high stakes cat and mouse, and unlike Wlad v Fury, we actually had plenty of action.

I won't comment on this til I've scored the fight cuz I usually try to make a reasonable decision as to how close a fight is based on the rounds. So while I feel like the majority of fans are right that Fury deserved the decision I can't with any faith currently suggest it was or wasn't within a reasonable margin of error

5) The draw may turn out to be the best thing that could happen to both fighters. If the fight sold even moderately well, it turns any negotiation with AJ by either man on it's head. Even without good numbers, it's now clear that it is far from certain that AJ is the best in the division. Both men can now argue with some validity that they are better than AJ and that will no doubt translate into better leverage in any negotiations.

Yea this might actually be true doe. That 0 in 2018 boxing is huge still. People love to act like who you fight is more important than anything & to us hardcore fans I standby that, but for the casuals & sports fans who might dabble in boxing that 0 still being on your record is the most important thing.

6) Speaking of negotiations, it must be clear to Hearn by now that he has a huge problem on his hands. How can he continue to lowball Fury or Wilder when they can rematch each other and make millions? Word is going to get out how epic this fight was, even to the casuals. A rematch is among the biggest fights that can be made in the sport, no question.

Definitely a weird situation when it feels like the #1 HW is getting shutout a lil bit & put in the co-main of importance in the division. If you keep fighting low level guys you can get your all eyes on me trophy taken doe & Hearn & Joshua need to be mindful with that. If Joshua is as he seems I bet behind the scenes

7) I do have a problem with the 115-111 card. No way did 4 points separate the fighters in either direction. I disagree with the 114-112 Fury yet find it viable. I find the British judge's card the most accurate (113-113) tho I don't necessarily agree with it round by round. Folks claiming this happened because the fight was in America need to shake themselves. It's a draw or close fight anywhere and no place has a monopoly on dubious scorecards.

Can't comment too much on this til I score as mentioned. But yea that 115-111 card does standout.

8) No, Fury did not benefit from a long count in round 12 or favorable refereeing. Jack Reiss did a creditable job all night and picked up his count exactly where he should have. Fury made it to his feet before 10, not easily but he did it. He then weathered the storm Wilder came at him with and even came back some. Helluva finish and props to Fury for his heart and courage.

Agree. I was thinking this could be a problem for Fury earlier on, but upon seeing the replay it doesn't look like much of a long count to me.

9) Lost in all of this is any talk of Wilder's heart and courage. After all, it was just 3 years ago that we saw one of the longest reigning champions in the sport's history completely undressed and befuddled by the same tactics Fury used last night. But, instead of being frustrated and mailing some of it in as Wlad did, Deontay persisted. Wilder never lost faith in himself and was rewarded by finally catching Tyson not once but twice. In a rematch, both men will be better but I like Wilder's chances even more now that he is familiarized with Fury's unorthodoxy.

Agree I don't think Wilder is getting as much credit for what he did right vs what Tyson did right. Then again most people seem to have felt Fury won thus lost more credit with the draw than Wilder did who they thought shoulda taken an L so the masses feelings do make sense.

[quote]10) I think a lot of things got put to rest last night. Laugh all you want about Wilder's skill, there is little doubt left that he is either the best in the division or damned close to it. I think Fury proved he is back and also levels above most of the division. And does anyone doubt he is still THE LINEAL CHAMPION now? I think not. We had a great fight last night, one that might become a classic.[quote]

Eh. I mean Wilder's skills have been a known flaw with him from the start. Luckily for him he's got insane f#cking power is the thing that can change a fight on a dime unlike most others. If not for his power Wilder could legit have 5+ losses. Maybe double digits. I can't respect Wilder as a top fighter, but I refuse to acknowledge some of his skills.

Although yea I do agree this should put the "Is Fury serious" bs to bed.

It was a very good thing for the sport.

100% agree with this.

[Jax teller]

Actually, that wasn't how it went down at all.

Fury thought he'd lost.

Peep the video...

This is not true Fury visibly shakes his head at the announcement of the draw, Wilders smiling like a goon. I'm struggling to find a vid, there was one in Spanish so I didn't bother.

I tried watching that video bit Sechback opened up with "they tried to rob you" to Wilder so I couldn't take anything they said seriously from then on plus its long, if you want to let me know what part to watch I'll have another look.

I wouldn't believe everything Wilder says though as it's gone from the best training camp ever dropping multiple guys to breaking his arm and only being able to use a jab, which you would have thought he'd have used on fight night if he's been perfecting it.

[chrisJS]

I get folks thinking Fury won.

What I find amusing is some of those same folks had GGG winning the first Canelo fight, this when Saul clearly outboxed G and landed the harder shots. They argued that Golovkin was making the fight by coming forward and should be credited for that.

Well, Wilder was the guy making this fight, the guy coming forward. Not an awful lot of punches were landed by either man, but Deontay's were the harder shots usually.

Coming forward, harder shots, and 2 knockdowns...that's plenty solid argument for Deontay.

I am not dismissing what Fury did, it was an incredible performance. But Wilder's determination and perseverance were admirable as well and he has solid reasons for claiming he won.

A draw was fair.

So you think Golovkin lost and Fury didn’t win but criticize people who think the opposite? Are you aware the more popular fighter in both fights had a very small % thinking they won the fights? That suggests you are in the minority based on your own personal bias.

It was a robbery and the polls reflect that. I bet the polls are around 75/80% Fury at least and that’s only because the Wilder fans boys blindly clicked for him.

[EasternEuroFan]

I get folks thinking Fury won.

What I find amusing is some of those same folks had GGG winning the first Canelo fight, this when Saul clearly outboxed G and landed the harder shots. They argued that Golovkin was making the fight by coming forward and should be credited for that.

The difference is that Fury was controlling the distance in the fight. Where they moved was on his terms

Canelo didn't dictate anything in the first GGG fight. He was being pressured and had no choice but to go where GGG was pressuring him to go. It's just that his very good defense could get him out of trouble, even if he couldn't dictate much else.

They're not even good comparisons.

GGG v Canelo was competitive, whichever way you scored it. Fury v Wilder had about 9 rounds that weren't even close.


Hopkins and Mayweather made a career out of doing what Fury did for about 9 or 10 rounds. If you think Fury didn't control nearly every round, then you might as well put 15 losses on Floyd's and Bernard's records if that's how you score fights.

[BirdPerson]

Great post, some very solid points right here

[koolkc107]

Great post, some very solid points right here

Appreciate it.