Deontay Wilder gets in Radio Rahim's face during heated interview

[koolkc107]

you're actually right. people actually do need it explained to them. over and over till they get it.

its the exact same reason that even though MLK has a whole month dedicated to him, even though his speech was/is public knowledge, people in america still don't know who he is or what he stood for.

yes, most people know. but turning down a golden opportunity to articulate the evils and social, legal, and economic drawbacks of racism, while championing an equality agenda, because "you know what i'm talking about" is quite ******, frankly.

we have work to do to kill racism and priviledge. on both sides. acting like only non-opressed people need to work to educate themselves is just silly and gets the vision nowhere fast.

Thanks for acknowledging the basic truth of what I said.

You seem like someone who is at least trying to "get it", so allow me to explain further to you since I know it won't be a waste of time as it would with other posters.

No one in this country needs racism and oppression explained to them. This country was built on it and continues to practice it to the detriment of millions of people (and not only "black" people).

What Radio Raheem did would have been extremely offensive if anyone asked it. No one asks ***ish folks to explain the things that happened to their people in **** Germany, no one asks the *********** to explain the things happening to their people in the West Bank, no one asks the Irish to explain what the English did to them.

We know horrible things happened or continue to happen and if we want details we do the research ourselves.

Asking Wilder that question served to minimize the fact of the oppression. Again, it was saying that "your struggle and that of your people was so meaningless and inconsequential that folks who should know all about it need it explained".

That's why Wilder went off and he was right to, especially when the question was coming from someone who undoubtedly knew better.

Radio Raheem was not giving Wilder a platform to talk about injustice. He was fishing for a soundbite and Wilder called him out for exactly that.

[BodiesInFlight]

Right? But a headline is a headline. I was wondering why he was getting praised on Instagram and **** on here.

Just shows the lack of perspective on here.

What should he be praised for then?

Shouting at someone because they asked a question?

[Punch on Tap]

and my "people" & my family were rounded up, men, women & kids in their millions and sent to death camps. Gassed to death in purposely built gas chambers, ****d, beaten, starved to death, subjected to experiments and pretty much anything else you can imagine. All more recent than slavery and one of the worst things to happen in history.

Now you tell me what your family experienced that was on that level? I'll await your response..

The fact is, people need to stop dwelling on the past if they want to move forward. They only keep enslaving themselves with their mentality. I'm not doubting that you or your family have encountered hardships and maybe unfair opportunities, me too and so have many others, but the truth is that the very fact we're sat talking on a boxing forum on the internet shows that neither of us are part of a real struggle right now. People need to stop blaming the past and history for what they do today, especially in a society where it's proven that anybody can succeed.

And yeah, there's still black people over the world in other countries that really have it hard still, but then you also have ****** in China. You have North Koreans being sent off to Siberia at this very moment to do 10 years work which is basically slave labour. That's life, the world isn't fair and it shouldn't happen but it's happened to all colours and creeds...

It's people with Wilder's mentality that hold other people back, that's just the truth.

I can go on and on about my struggles compared to the average white person my age but I’ll spare you because that’s not the point.

I don’t disagree that yes you do have a lot of people that cry the racism card falsely. Of course. But when we are talking at a much deeper level. The holocaust was literally nothing compared to 400yrs of slavery. If we are talking about modern history.

“You don't see ***ish people going on and on about the holocaust, despite it being far more horrific than slavery in USA and more recent. ***s actually were treated terribly when they first went to USA, but one generation later they prospered because there was no victim attitude and no self pity, they just looked to the future.”

Why do people insist on comparing American slavery to the Holocaust? First off, I don’t know who you are and where you live, but no one gripes about the past more than the ***s. The whole ideology of ***ish survival despite persecution is to remember the past, especially the holocaust.

But to accurately compare these two events to make a point you would also have to change some variables. Let’s start with skin color. ***s have always been able to blend in and assimilate well. Part of the reason why white nationalist really despise them.

I doubt you’re hardly worth my effort but let’s just say...black people in America were stripped of their identity, religion/spirituality, and intelligence. All things ***s were able to maintain and strengthen overtime. How are blacks in America supposed to have a connection with Africa? Blacks in America are culturally homeless. The Atlantic slave trade made sure of that. There is no united identity like there is for the ***s, because we were washed down of everything we knew from that contintent. Forced into a new religion and kept from being educated. America’s biggest sin....

Lastly, America is the only democracy in the HISTORY of the world to write in another human being as less than human, instead as property. Yes it was written in our constitution.

Not even the ***s were treated this way. Blacks in America not only were left behind 400yrs, but they weren’t given what they were promised after the abolishment of slavery. That means even more of a delay in progress. That means, damn near every black American got what they have from the mud and not the backs of human cattle.

I don’t agree with people crying wolf about racism but I also can’t tell Deontay that what he’s experiencing is invalid. Especially in America.

[koolkc107]

You don't seem to get that Tyson says his people have been fighting for 200 years. Physically fighting. Not fighting oppression which Wilder hasn't even been part of, yet claims victimhood for his ancestors oppression which is pathetic.

Dude is a millionaire rolling in a lambo, and has his own TV show and is on PPV.

Sign me up for the struggle please.

#freewilder

Actually I do know what Tyson was talking about.

So did Wilder.

But, as somebody born and raised in Alabama, someone whose family and legacy stretches back further than the 200 years Tyson is claiming, Wilder accurately pointed out that he comes from a long line of fighters too...and his ancestors literally fought for their lives every day.

That's the point.

Notice your own hypocrisy.

You aren't questioning Fury's assertion by noting Tyson's wealth.

Fury says fighting is in his blood and you believe him in spite of the expensive suits and all.

But with Wilder, you wanna literally take his life for yourself in disbelief.

Work on that...

[IMDAZED]

What should he be praised for then?

Shouting at someone because they asked a question?

I would hope you process things a little deeper than just optics.

[EasternEuroFan]

Radio Raheem was not giving Wilder a platform to talk about injustice. He was fishing for a soundbite and Wilder called him out for exactly that.

He actually seems to do that a lot in his recent interviews. I've noticed.

I get it. It's a very competitive market in what he does now, so he's obviously looking for the best quote for his video title, but i think it's to the detriment of his reporting skills.

While i think Wilder could've handled in much better and don't fully agree with him, i think that Radio Raheem's question was a purposely loaded question, he already knew the answer. Wilder give him exactly what he was looking for and comes away looking worse for it.

I'm not a fan of that kind of reporting in general.

[koolkc107]

What were they?

Nope.

You go look for yourself.

You'll see it, if you know what racism in this country can often look like.

Most of it isn't guys with tiki torches or hoods.

It's often more subtle, with much of it being condescension, insensitivity, and denial.

For example, you had a poster in this or another thread hear about what Wilder said and as a rebuttal, he mentions that the folks enslaved in this country were sold into slavery by other Africans, something almost completely off topic.

That may have some technical truth to it; but in my experience, it's mostly two kinds of folks who say that and give no other context (since it is not a commonly known thing)- either they are seeking to blame the victims or they are too ignorant to understand it was much more complicated than that.

What Fury did in Brooklyn was not blatantly racist (I used the phrase "low-key"), but he was definitely pandering some to that demographic.

[BodiesInFlight]

I would hope you process things a little deeper than just optics.

I would hope you would have an actual answer for a change but nope.

[koolkc107]

He actually seems to do that a lot in his recent interviews. I've noticed.

I get it. It's a very competitive market in what he does now, so he's obviously looking for the best quote for his video title, but i think it's to the detriment of his reporting skills.

While i think Wilder could've handled in much better and don't fully agree with him, i think that Radio Raheem's question was a purposely loaded question, he already knew the answer. Wilder give him exactly what he was looking for and comes away looking worse for it.

I'm not a fan of that kind of reporting in general.

Honestly, I don't think Wilder looked worse for it at all.

At least not to some folks I see commenting on social media.

People are saying he sonned Raheem.

I think Wilder was honestly bothered by the question and the issues surrounding it.

I also think he kinda played it up, hoping to get folks talking about his outburst.

And it worked.

[EasternEuroFan]

I can go on and on about my struggles compared to the average white person my age but I’ll spare you because that’s not the point.

I don’t disagree that yes you do have a lot of people that cry the racism card falsely. Of course. But when we are talking at a much deeper level. The holocaust was literally nothing compared to 400yrs of slavery. If we are talking about modern history.

“You don't see ***ish people going on and on about the holocaust, despite it being far more horrific than slavery in USA and more recent. ***s actually were treated terribly when they first went to USA, but one generation later they prospered because there was no victim attitude and no self pity, they just looked to the future.”

Why do people insist on comparing American slavery to the Holocaust? First off, I don’t know who you are and where you live, but no one gripes about the past more than the ***s. The whole ideology of ***ish survival despite persecution is to remember the past, especially the holocaust.

But to accurately compare these two events to make a point you would also have to change some variables. Let’s start with skin color. ***s have always been able to blend in and assimilate well. Part of the reason why white nationalist really despise them.

Thirdly, i doubt you’re hardly worth my effort but let’s just say...black people in America were stripped of their identity, religion/spirituality, and intelligence. All things ***s were able to maintain and strengthen overtime. How are blacks in America supposed to have a connection with Africa? Blacks in America are culturally homeless. The Atlantic slave trade made sure of that. There is no united identity like there is for the ***s, because we were washed down of everything we knew from that contingent. Forced into a new religion and kept from being education. America’s biggest sin....

Lastly, America is the only democracy in the HISTORY of the world to write in another human being as less than human, instead as property.

Not even the ***s were treated this way. Blacks in America not only were left behind 400yrs, but they weren’t given what they were promised after the abolishment of slavery. That means even more of a delay in progress. That means, damn near every black American got what they have from the mud and not the backs of human cattle.

I have never disagreed with anything you say. You are very correct in most points.

But at the end of the day, today we live in a much fairer society in our countries. Sure you can still encounter racism on an individual level but that's never going to change, ignorance will always exist in some people.

Tell me what is stopping you right now or your children being anything they want to be in the present day? nothing at all. Will you children have the opportunity to be a politician, a doctor, a lawyer? yes. Will they be subjected to slavery? no.

We all know the history and anyone with an ounce of decency would say that it was abhorrent but that was the past. We can't dwell on the past forever, because how far back do you want to go? what's the cut-off point?

At some point, we have to accept that terrible things happen in the past and leave it there and realise we live in much better times where we all have opportunities and the only thing that will truly hold you back is your mentality and lack of application. That's not erasing history of forgetting your roots, it's just an acceptance that history has been unkind to people of all backgrounds at some point or other, depending on how far back you want to go.