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Originally posted by koolkc107 View PostActually I do know what Tyson was talking about.
So did Wilder.
But, as somebody born and raised in Alabama, someone whose family and legacy stretches back further than the 200 years Tyson is claiming, Wilder accurately pointed out that he comes from a long line of fighters too...and his ancestors literally fought for their lives every day.
That's the point.
Notice your own hypocrisy.
You aren't questioning Fury's assertion by noting Tyson's wealth.
Fury says fighting is in his blood and you believe him in spite of the expensive suits and all.
But with Wilder, you wanna literally take his life for yourself in disbelief.
Work on that...
Just as recent as last year, they found that Alabama lawmakers had been ignoring infrastructure needs in predominantly black counties. They literally have counties that have no sewage drainage system. While the predominantly white counties adjacent to them have modern systems.
Little things like that stagger people. You have no idea. Who cares about making it to school when your closet is drowning in feces. All because the counties vote a different party. You can google it. This is one of a 1000 different methods of systemic racism that still exist. And they exist because people keep them in existence. 9 out of ten times, black people aren’t just crying out loud for no reason. They go through things white America have no clue of.
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Originally posted by EasternEuroFan View PostI have never disagreed with anything you say. You are very correct in most points.
But at the end of the day, today we live in a much fairer society in our countries. Sure you can still encounter racism on an individual level but that's never going to change, ignorance will always exist in some people.
Tell me what is stopping you right now or your children being anything they want to be in the present day? nothing at all. Will you children have the opportunity to be a politician, a doctor, a lawyer? yes. Will they be subjected to slavery? no.
We all know the history and anyone with an ounce of decency would say that it was abhorrent but that was the past. We can't dwell on the past forever, because how far back do you want to go? what's the cut-off point?
At some point, we have to accept that terrible things happen in the past and leave it there and realise we live in much better times where we all have opportunities and the only thing that will truly hold you back is your mentality and lack of application. That's not erasing history of forgetting your roots, it's just an acceptance that history has been unkind to people of all backgrounds at some point or other, depending on how far back you want to go.
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Originally posted by hondamonkey View PostIf I told you I went to high school with all substitute teachers would you believe me?
Actually my old school has been demolished now and was closed down because it failed all the required inspections. We even had do go through metal detectors every day to be searched for weapons because it was that bad. No teacher wanted to work there, they had panic alarms for teachers in the class room.
The school was terrible. The kids only acted the way they did because the school was that bad to begin with and had no intentions or means of educating kids properly
What's your point? ****ty schools exist everywhere.
If that's your idea of the struggle, then i think you're doing just fine.
The thing is, i've had it very, very rough, more than most can imagine but i don't talk about it or use it as an excuse to justify anything. It is what it is. I live in the present and for the future. You're talking to me like i've never experienced rough times and true struggles when you have no idea who i am and what i'm about. I just don't have a victim mentality.
Here's one example for you that i'd never bring up in any other situation. When i was 11 years old, i was made homeless with my two sisters. We slept anywhere we could until the authorities put us into some hostel that was used by junkies, **********s and criminals. Didn't even put us into proper care. I was 11 years old and sleeping on mine and my sisters shoes so they didn't get stolen while we slept. I'd go to the local beach and parks and steal food from the peoples bags while they played in the water, just so my sisters didn't starve.
Have you ever been without parents, taking care of your siblings when you're 11 because nobody give a **** enough to give kids the proper facilities needed and just threw you to the street? That was systematic.
I don't blame anyone for that today though. I'm not a victim, that's just how my life was. Me and my sisters all have good careers today because of our mentality.Last edited by EasternEuroFan; 11-29-2018, 10:36 AM.
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Originally posted by Scary View PostSo give me one clear example of something that happened in your life, that was systematic racism.Wake up, you have been brainwashed.
Two people to a textbook, substitute teachers despite having to pass state exams, and sometimes no desk.
I grew up with people who maybe didn’t have the same level of intelligence I had, and they couldn’t navigate out the system.
I grew up in a neighborhood where the bus company was defunded and was forced to taxi some days to school. Imagine that? In America. All these barriers just to get educated.
The ***s didn’t stay in Germany after the war. Blacks had to stay in America after slavery.
You can’t expect after 100s of years of policy and laws suppressing black people from every angle, that a few black celebrities are what you look at to measure racism and life as a black American. Come on now.
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Originally posted by koolkc107 View PostThanks for acknowledging the basic truth of what I said.
You seem like someone who is at least trying to "get it", so allow me to explain further to you since I know it won't be a waste of time as it would with other posters.
No one in this country needs racism and oppression explained to them. This country was built on it and continues to practice it to the detriment of millions of people (and not only "black" people).
What Radio Raheem did would have been extremely offensive if anyone asked it. No one asks ***ish folks to explain the things that happened to their people in **** Germany, no one asks the *********** to explain the things happening to their people in the West Bank, no one asks the Irish to explain what the English did to them.
We know horrible things happened or continue to happen and if we want details we do the research ourselves.
Asking Wilder that question served to minimize the fact of the oppression. Again, it was saying that "your struggle and that of your people was so meaningless and inconsequential that folks who should know all about it need it explained".
That's why Wilder went off and he was right to, especially when the question was coming from someone who undoubtedly knew better.
Radio Raheem was not giving Wilder a platform to talk about injustice. He was fishing for a soundbite and Wilder called him out for exactly that.
raheem asking that question was trying to give wilder an opportunity to show a different side of him that obviously he's very passionate about to win more neutrals over. wilder messed up there, period. he could even be upset with raheem, but still use the opportunity to bring some of the racism issues to light for whoever might be watching.
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Originally posted by hondamonkey View PostNYC is the most diverse city in the world but has the most segregated school systems. My biggest challenge was living in a racially created community (oh yes my friend, maybe you don’t know the history of racism in the housing department, google) to a systemically racist system was being forced to go to a school in a zone that was underserved.
Two people to a textbook, substitute teachers despite having to pass state exams, and sometimes no desk.
I grew up with people who maybe didn’t have the same level of intelligence I had, and they couldn’t navigate out the system.
I grew up in a neighborhood where the bus company was defunded and was forced to taxi some days to school. Imagine that? In America. All these barriers just to get educated.
The ***s didn’t stay in Germany after the war. Blacks had to stay in America after slavery.
You can’t expect after 100s of years of policy and laws suppressing black people from every angle, that a few black celebrities are what you look at to measure racism and life as a black American. Come on now.
Racial communities make themselves, because of life choices. You go together in groups that are like you, everyone does that. Not racism.
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Originally posted by EasternEuroFan View PostSo did i
Actually my old school has been demolished now and was closed down because it failed all the required inspections. We even had do go through metal detectors every day to be searched for weapons because it was that bad. No teacher wanted to work there, they had panic alarms for teachers in the class room.
The school was terrible. The kids only acted the way they did because the school was that bad to begin with and had no intentions or means of educating kids properly
What's your point? ****ty schools exist everywhere.
If that's your idea of the struggle, then i think you're doing just fine.
The thing is, i've had it very, very rough, more than most can imagine but i don't talk about it or use it as an excuse to justify anything. It is what it is. I live in the present and for the future. You're talking to me like i've never experienced rough times and true struggles when you have no idea who i am and what i'm about. I just don't have a victim mentality.
Here's one example for you that i'd never bring up in any other situation. When i was 11 years old, i was made homeless with my two sisters. We slept anywhere we could until the authorities put us into some hostel that was used by junkies, **********s and criminals. Didn't even put us into proper care. I was 11 years old and sleeping on mine and my sisters shoes so they didn't get stolen while we slept. I'd go to the local beach and parks and steal food from the peoples bags while they played in the water, just so my sisters didn't starve.
Have you ever been without parents, taking care of your siblings when you're 11 because nobody give a **** enough to give kids the proper facilities needed and just threw you to the street? That was systematic.
I don't blame anyone for that today though. I'm not a victim, that's just how my life was. Me and my sisters all have good careers today because of our mentality.
This guy stubs his little toe and screams racism! He can't come up with one example of systematic racism. It's all smoke and mirrors. The black community needs to rise above it, lead and inspire. Instead of dragging everybody down and pointing fingers.
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Originally posted by Scary View PostMan you are pointing many fingers and many wrong solutions. ****ty schools exists. Thats not racism. People too ****** to get out from poverty. That's not racism. Your school shutting down the bus for lack of funding. That's not racism. NONE of the things listed above can be put to racism. Had you said that a family member or friend was hung in the woods or anything like that, we could've had a constructive debate, instead you have chosen to point all your lifes problem at this term "racism" which it seems to me like you don't fully understand.
Racial communities make themselves, because of life choices. You go together in groups that are like you, everyone does that. Not racism.
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