Wilder-Fury how each should approach the fight

[billeau2]

interesting analysis...some good stuff here

and great avatar btw....did you some insight from willie d on this fight? lol

I did watch that vid on another thread... And I did tag them as "conventional" because the conventional thinking is when you can see more in front of you, you are better off... But when your fighting an ambush fighter, someone like Haye, Martinez, Wilder, this can work against you because when they attack there is nothing between them and you... Where as if you have a shoulder up for the punch to hit your chin the angle has to be right.

Archie Moore is a good guy to watch in this respect. So Willie D's insight about going southpaw is a good one for most cases, imo just not for this one because of the type of fighter Wilder is.

[RoyJonesJrp4pno1]

Wilder: Get Fury in the corners/on the ropes. Punch with Fury to catch him in exchanges so he can't avoid the punches.

Fury: Keep the fight center ring. Dodge, jab and move. Hold anytime Wilder gets him against the ropes.

[EasternEuroFan]

I think both just have to be what they are. I always thought this was the very best fight in the division in terms of styles. I think both fighters are the only ones that can beat each other in the current HW scene, that's if Fury is at his best.

I think if you're a very orthodox fighter that fights in straight lines, Fury will toy with you and make you look very basic. If you're that kind of fighter facing Wilder, you will be a sitting duck for his right hand.

Neither are like that. Wilder is unorthodox and unpredictable, so Fury won't read him like a book as he would with a more basic fighter, which gives Wilder a better chance to land on Fury.

But Fury isn't just going to be in the firing line like other heavyweights will be. If there's one heavyweight today that can really offset Wilder and limit his chances of landing it's Fury. On paper, it's a great fight.

That's why i also feel both would beat AJ. For me, big stiff flat footed AJ would be right there for Wilder's right hand, easy to find. And i think AJ would have no answers for Fury's movement, he's too orthodox. That's not to say AJ can't beat them, but if they fought 1O times, i'd pick Fury & Wilder to beat him the majority of the times, just because of styles. That's why Fury v Wilder has always been a more interesting fight in my eyes.

[Hatesrats]

Fury needs to find a way to tie up Wilder (Cant see it happening...) on the inside or everytime a clinch is available. IF Tyson makes it passed 5rds I'll be surprised to be honest.

[Jewish-Reptile]

Fists of Fluff needs to clinch and spoil, use his heavier frame on the skinny little man with sparrow legs.

[Larry the boss]

Conventional wisdom is that Fury should fight Southpaw so he has plenty of room to see and react to Wilder. On this account I might favor fighting out of the orthodox side and keeping my left shoulder raised and weight back... Give Wilder a smaller target and make him have to rush in with Fury's shoulder in his way.

Fury also should fight off the back foot and time Wilder, angle out at a 45 degree and counter him over the right. Pick Wilder apart with jabs, and fight him inside, lean on his side though... Not like Holy did with Tyson because of the height the uppercut on the inside is dangerous for Fury... better to pivot to the side when inside make Wilder have to follow you.

In general Fury wants his shoulder, and a false line, to allow him to stay close to Wilder, and make Wilder chase him and miss. Then he wants to counter Wilder and get him offbalance. Rinse wash and repeat.

For Wilder, game plan is relatively simple: you have to connect with your right the most times you can. But in order to entice Fury, Wilder should try to get his jab working. feint to the head and hit the body with the jab, get Fury to drop his arm (he has a habit of doing so already) and lure him to a position where his weight is tending less on the back leg. This is Wilder's chance to throw his right. When you do throw step right in front of Fury... You can now throw that uppercut.

When Fury starts to move, instead of chasing him, attack the body with the jab, just touch him... move lateral instead of in pursuit, Cutting the ring off, jab to the body, and when Fury puts any weight forward bomb squad! When you throw just follow with the uppercut before being tied up.

Thats how I see it.

Fury wants to create angles to counter Wilder and get points...that is why he should not southpaw it and put a whole field in front of both guys where Wilder can run in and connect. Use the shoulder as a site and to protect the chin, pick Wilder apart piece by piece... Sidestep him inside taking the uppercut out of play.

Wilder wants to get Fury lit up. To do so he needs to get Fury out of position, with the hands, with the weight, etc.
to do this Wilder has a jab and an uppercut.

I think him fighting southpaw i feel would open him up more for Wilders right hand and also that left hook

[billeau2]

I think him fighting southpaw i feel would open him up more for Wilders right hand and also that left hook

It does.

Southpaw puts an arm between him and Wilder's right... If he circles too slowly to the left he also gets the uppercut. But if he can circle to the right and know his angles as a southpaw he will be able to counter Wilder to the right better because he will be to the side of Wilder and not in front.

If he fights orthodox in square off position there is nothing between him and Wilder, that could be potentially bad, or good, depending on a lot of factors...Wilder's foot speed, Fury's body position, the reach of each man, and the desire of each man to clinch and turn the other man.