Insights Into How A Vacant Lineal Is Filled

[koolkc107]

So in summary if #1 fights #3 while vacant they become lineal?

Well Joshua has fought klitschko (#1 at the time), Parker (#3 at the time) and Povetkin (#3 at the time).

Sounds like Joshua is now lineal then?

It's more than that.

That's why I was trying to tell some fool who was insisting it had to be a 1 vs a 2. It doesnt have to be a 1 vs 3 either, it can be any in the top ten if you can establish a precedent.

There has to be a direct link.

In the case of the article, the direct link was first the fact that Vitali almost beat Lewis, the last lineal.

When that didn't work (with Vitali retiring) they went to the next "in line" Wlad yet it took 5 years for him to establish and the waters were a little muddied when Vitali came back.

In the cases you sited above, there is no real direct link. The closest thing was AJ vs Wlad but Fury was not retired but suspended so that didn't make that fight definitive and with Tyson back it makes that fight moot since Tyson beat Wlad first.

Remember, when in doubt, the "man who beat the man" is the trump card.

The lineal is on the line Dec 1st.

[jglvz256]

So in summary we make up our own rules, award the lineal to whichever fight or fighter we prefer, and then quote a few random articles that may or may not support the defenition we made up. And that is how the lineal champion is crowned.

[koolkc107]

No.

In summary, we rely on the same things we used to determine who was lineal throughout boxing's history.

And history says Tyson is still the lineal and/or the lineal is on the line Dec. 1st.

Anything else, and you need convoluted logic or made up rules to get there.

[Kezzer]

It's more than that.

That's why I was trying to tell some fool who was insisting it had to be a 1 vs a 2. It doesnt have to be a 1 vs 3 either, it can be any in the top ten if you can establish a precedent.

There has to be a direct link.

In the case of the article, the direct link was first the fact that Vitali almost beat Lewis, the last lineal.

When that didn't work (with Vitali retiring) they went to the next "in line" Wlad yet it took 5 years for him to establish and the waters were a little muddied when Vitali came back.

In the cases you sited above, there is no real direct link. The closest thing was AJ vs Wlad but Fury was not retired but suspended so that didn't make that fight definitive and with Tyson back it makes that fight moot since Tyson beat Wlad first.

Remember, when in doubt, the "man who beat the man" is the trump card.

The lineal is on the line Dec 1st.

So you’re logic is if you “almost” win you also become lineal 😂

So if wilder does win on Dec 1st, as you came claim lineal is on the line - does Ortiz become lineal instead 🤣. I know people have views , and many don’t count this fight for it - but your arguement is the biggest joke I have seen

[koolkc107]

So you’re logic is if you “almost” win you also become lineal 😂

So if wilder does win on Dec 1st, as you came claim lineal is on the line - does Ortiz become lineal instead 🤣. I know people have views , and many don’t count this fight for it - but your arguement is the biggest joke I have seen

It's always been about "the man who beat the man who beat the man".

I established that.

When you are trying to name a new lineal because of a retirement or other unavailability, then other things can come into play.

We talked about that, including the fact there are different ideas about criteria.

However it is also historically established that if, during the period the lineal lies vacant, the true lineal unretires or becomes active again then the unfilled lineal is either his once more or MUST BE WON THRU THAT LINEAL.

We just saw it happen with the Canelo vs GGG fight.

These are not hard concepts unless you want them to be.

Your example with Ortiz is humorous but not very sensible.

[Robbie Barrett]

It's always been about "the man who beat the man who beat the man".

I established that.

When you are trying to name a new lineal because of a retirement or other unavailability, then other things can come into play.

We talked about that, including the fact there are different ideas about criteria.

However it is also historically established that if, during the period the lineal lies vacant, the true lineal unretires or becomes active again then the unfilled lineal is either his once more or MUST BE WON THRU THAT LINEAL.

We just saw it happen with the Canelo vs GGG fight.

These are not hard concepts unless you want them to be.

Your example with Ortiz is humorous but not very sensible.

Golovkin and Canelo were ranked 1 and 2 which is why it was lineal. How many times do you need to be told that. It doesn't support your argument.

Name 1 time someone not even ranked top 5 in a division by most fought to establish a new lineal. Show us the evidence fool.

[koolkc107]

Golovkin and Canelo were ranked 1 and 2 which is why it was lineal. How many times do you need to be told that. It doesn't support your argument.

Name 1 time someone not even ranked top 5 in a division by most fought to establish a new lineal. Show us the evidence fool.

I told you earlier that by July 2018 BJS was ranked #1.

And BTW, since you are so keen to explain away Fury by mentioning his PED use then explain your hypocrisy.

How can Fury not still be a lineal because of PEDs yet Canelo still vie for the lineal because of the Clem?

Surely you know he was removed from the rankings after testing positive, right?

So, how was that a fight between 1 and 2?

Here, I'll help you.

A link to the Transnational Boxing ratings for August (I know how you love to mention them!)

You see Canelo ranked?

https://www.ringnews24.com/2018/08/23/transnational-boxing-rankings-august-21/

[Larry the boss]

You know, you would think at least some of you would know better than to challenge me by now...

I don't post stuff unless I can back it up...usually big time.

How many of you getting paid for your takes like Fat Dan here?

This is where recent heavyweight lineage gets a bit murky.

In his final bout, Lewis defeated Vitali Klitschko, the clear No. 1 contender, in a very competitive fight that Klitschko was winning on the scorecards until it was stopped because of his badly cut eye. Under the circumstances, it was only logical that Klitschko should be involved in the fight to re-establish the lineage.

Fighting for the alphabet belt that Lewis vacated upon his retirement, Klitschko eventually faced the late Corrie Sanders, a legitimate contender who was coming off an upset knockout win against titleholder Wladimir Klitschko, Vitali's younger brother.

Vitali Klitschko stopped Sanders in the eighth round in April 2004 in an excellent fight. Besides winning a vacant alphabet belt, Klitschko was also awarded the vacant Ring magazine title, which had been created to clearly identify the legitimate champion in each division (before the magazine's championship policy had been radically altered and muddled).

There are many who view Vitali's victory over Sanders as his having re-established the lineage following Lewis' retirement. Others aren't so sure.

Regardless, after Klitschko defeated Danny Williams in his next fight, he retired for nearly four years because of various injuries. That broke the lineage again (or, depending on your view, left it unrepaired post-Lewis).


http://www.espn.com/blog/dan-rafael/...ineage-matters

LOL!

Ring Champ does not =Lineal champ all the time

[koolkc107]

Ring Champ does not =Lineal champ all the time

I have mentioned that and it has gone right over the heads of some of these guys who swear they know what a lineal title is.

[Larry the boss]

I have mentioned that and it has gone right over the heads of some of these guys who swear they know what a lineal title is.

why would Vitali-Sanders have created a new lineal champion??